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My GG Grandfather had the middle names of Warren Bryant and his twin sister Warren Edwina.
Their father was Thomas John Vicary married to Ellen Jane Taylor on 23/06/1878 in Lambeth.
Ellen was born 1859ish lambeth maybe?
Ellens father was Edwin Taylor so i know where Edwina middle name came from, but who was Ellens mother was she a Warren which might explain Warren for a middle name for both siblings.
Where can i look for a marriage for Edwin Taylor to a wife in Lambeth poss?

from a confused head

The only way to be absolutely sure that you have Ellen Jane's correct parentage is to buy her birth certificate.


Assuming she was registered as E#llen Jane (which is not always a given!!), these are two possible birth registrations for her.


A certificate will cost £7


Births Sep 1857 (96%)
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Taylor Ellen Jane Marylebone 1a 388


Births Mar 1860 (>99%)
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TAYLOR Ellen Jane Clerkenwell 1b 560




sylvia

Oh heck i dont know which one it might be, her marriage cert does not give much away either

1861

Ellen J Taylor
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Edwin
Mother's Name: Charlotte
Gender: Female
Where born: Shaftesbury, Dorset, England

Civil parish: Shaftesbury Holy Trinity
Ecclesiastical parish: Sarum
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Shaftesbury
Sub-registration district: Shaftesbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 2
Household Members: Name Age
Edwin Taylor 36
Charlotte Taylor 38
Edwin F Taylor 13
Frederic C Taylor 11
Emma C Taylor 7
Ellen J Taylor 5
Frances M Taylor 4
Edwina Taylor 2
Mary Ann Taylor 3 weeks
Sarah Coward 70.......Nurse
Frederic Warren 33

Frederic Warren is down as Brother but i think it should be BIL

Just checked image & it is brother-in-law
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Marriages Jun 1847 (>99%)

Taylor Edwin Shaftesbury 8 173
WARREN Charlotte Shaftesbury 8 173
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Births Jun 1855 (>99%)
Taylor Ellen Jane Shaftesbury 5a 230

Julie
I love you thank you so much for this i have been search all sites to see what i could find with no joy as yet,
half the mystery solved now
Thank you

You're welcome

have just added Ellens birth details too

Thank you most greatful

Samantha

Births Sep 1880 (>99%)
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Vicary Frances Edwina W Lambeth 1d 353
Vicary Francis Bryant W Lambet 1d 353
,,,,,twins

Samantha

On the 1861 Edwin was a Cabinet maker hopefully his occupation matches on Ellen's marriage cert

Julie

Hi Julie
No on the marriage cert it states he was a builder

Hi,

I'm very new to this and having trouble seeing the wood for the trees. Can someone please explain - or point me to where it's explained what lines like ...

Taylor Ellen Jane Shaftesbury 5a 230

... mean? The 5a and the 230?

And is Taylor the surname or Shaftesbury.

Thanks in advance for (hopefully!) your patience.

Barry

Hi Barry
Taylor is the surname
Shaftesbury is the birth place
and 5a 230 is the number for when ordering the birth cert

Hope this makes sense

Samantha

Barry



5a is the volume number and 230 is the page number

This refers to the record book held at the General Register Office ....... commonly referred to as GRO.

You need those numbers when you order a certificate from GRO



sylvia

Although no one has said, what folk are doing is looking up the GRO index at:
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

It's real easy when you know the answer, so lets look for Edwin Taylor marrying a Charlotte. We might play safer be checking phonetic sunames (in case it's down as Tailor) and also Charlot*, since this has variable spellings. We get 2 hits in Devon, one in Wolverhampton and one in Shaftesbury, where the census was:

Marriages Jun 1847 (>99%)
Taylor Edwin Shaftesbury 8 173

If we click on "Shaftesbury", then the more info "here" link, it tells us all the villages, etc in Shaftesbury Registration District.

If we click on the page # "173", it shows us all the people with certificates on the same page as Edwin. This obviously includes his bride, but we don't necessarily know who this is. However, we're lucky this time, and there's only one Charlotte, so it'll be her

Marriages Jun 1847 (>99%)
BRICKELL William Shaftesbury 8 173
Hatcher Elizabeth Shaftesbury 8 173
Huse James Shaftesbury 8 173
Peters Elizabeth Shaftesbury 8 173
>>Taylor Edwin Shaftesbury 8 173
>>WARREN Charlotte Shaftesbury 8 173

Armed with the info here (year, quarter, Rego D, vol=8 p=173) we can order the cert from the GRO for 7 GBP. Without that info, it costs 10 GBP, and that's assuming you got stuff pretty close.

1871......Edwin still down as Cabinet Maker

Edwin Taylor
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Charlotte
Gender: Male
Where born: Shaftesbury, Dorset, England
Civil parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England
Registration district: Shaftesbury
Sub-registration district: Shaftesbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 91
Household Members: Name Age
Edwin Taylor 44
Charlotte Taylor 44
Frederic Taylor 21
Emma Taylor 17
Ellen Taylor 15
Frances Taylor 13
Edward Taylor 12
Mary Taylor 10
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This is the 1881 & Charlotte was Widowed by then, but she is in London

Charlotte Taylor
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relation: Mother
Gender: Female
Where born: Shaftesbury, Dorset, England

Civil parish: Camberwell
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 15 Market Place
Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widower)
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Dressmaker

Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: Peckham
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Frederick C. Taylor 28
Charlotte Taylor 48
Edwina Taylor 18
Frank Taylor 7
Frederick Walsey 45

Thanks for the help everyone - definitely makes things a bit clearer.

mgnv

Good tutorial. Just had a go - thankyou.

Barry

This info is only a maybe...... you can confirm then/ if you get certificates

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Charlottes birth

Charlotte Warren Pedigree
Female


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 12 JUL 1818 Holy Trinity, Shaftesbury, Dorset, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: Robert Warren Family
Mother: Frances
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Charlottes Parents marriage


ROBERT WARREN Pedigree
Male Family


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Marriages:
Spouse: FRANCES COWARD Family
Marriage: 29 JAN 1818 Holy Trinity, Shaftesbury, Dorset, England

A Sibling of Charlottes.....could be part of where Edwina's name was from... Edwin/Rowena

Rowena Mary Warren - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 05 MAR 1820 Holy Trinity, Shaftesbury, Dorset, England
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If it is the right family it's worth a look on www.familysearch.org

There was a Sarah Coward down as nurse in the 1861 census for Edwin and Charlotte's household, and the name Frances Coward in 1818. Presumably not coincidence.