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thanks Jill, I thought it might help if I could read her residence at time of marriage in 1884......thinking she may have been at the same place on 1881 census .........the address is different from where her husband is staying at the time of marriage ........but it is really hard to read - looks like 12 ST Grorcuis Road........but its impossible to read

Oh - if you do write to the GRO - do mention the fact that the father's name only appears on the marriage cert and you cannot find the family earlier - if she was illegitimate you don't want to miss the chance of finding a birth reg for her with no father named.

Jill

Both witnesses called Woodmason - could be worth looking for that name locally to where she was living at the time of marriage. Could be mum remarried, or sister and husband etc. You might not find anything but the name seems fairly unusual so worth a look.

Good luck.

Jill

I've had a quick trawl at Ancestry for 1871 and 1881. Tried Harriet, Harriett, Harriot, Harriott - using no surnames. Tried fathers Harry and Henry. Couldn's see anything likely - although it was a quick look.

You may find it worthwhile to see how many Harriets (with all poss spellings) you can find in 1871 with father of Harry/Henry - and then see if you can find them again in 1881 and later. It is possible, as suggested earlier, that Harry died when Harriet was young and mum re-married. So her surname may be different from that of her father's.

It's also possible that she was illegitimate and used the name Harry just to cover that fact - that's not much help is it? Sorry, not meaning to depress you further ...

Jill

witnesses were ........I cant read either of their first names - but both surnames were WOODMASON

thank you so much Jill, I didnt know you could do that!!!!!!!!........I still find it strange that I cannot find her on the census in 1871/1881 though

Who were the witnesses at the marriage?

Jill

If you write to the GRO they will conduct a 3 year search for a birth. Ignoring (for a moment the marriage cert age as she could have been bending the truth a little) she seems to have been born around 1863. So pick a date in mid-1863 and they will search 18 months either side.

Harry could have been known as Henry. It could even be that Harry/Henry was a middle name and he was known as Harry. IF Harry was dead at the time of Harriet's marriage then she may only have had that piece of info to give so it may not be the most accurate piece of info.

However, IF she lied about her age at marriage and was about 19 at the time, then it's possible that Harry/Henry was not dead at all and she lied about that to explain his absence ...

But think about writing to the GRO. The 3 year search takes a bit longer, and is a bit more than the £7 but it could be worth a try.

Jill

does anyone new fancy trying to help me out on this one.....I need some new inspiration!.........and I'm very very stuck!!! I know I keep posting but I really need someone to try to help me!!!

would it be possible that Lambeth could also be Lambert on a birth/death record - I know any name is possiible on the census!!

come on you people who like a challenge - where are you all?

nudge LOL.........how can they just disappear! - on the census, birth records, death records - it doesnt make sense!

can anyone read the 1891 census for me........has Harriet as born Tonthill? where is that!!!!!!!!

nudge

nudge LOL

nudge! ......please! I am going to keep nudging until someone turns detective! LOL

this is my final attempt to find her - here are all the facts:

Ada Rose Dallamore b1892 - Parents HARRIET DALLAMORE (formerly LAMBETH)

MARRIAGE - March 1884 Kensington - Charles Dallamore + HARRIET LAMBETH 21 Spinster - Father HARRY LAMBETH DECEASED (CARMAN)

here they are on 1891 census:

Name: Harriet Dallamore
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Charles
Gender: Female
Where born: Tonthall

Civil parish: Kensington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew and St Phillip
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment statu

Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: Kensington Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 51
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Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Dallamore 30
Harriet Dallamore 24
Frederick Dallamore 6/12
Louisa Dallamore 4
Frank Dallamore 2
Annie Eliza Dallamore 7/12

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here they are on 1901 census:


Name: Harriet Dalemore
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Chas
Gender: Female
Where born: Hounslow, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Kensington
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch Notting Hill
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: Kensington Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 61
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Household schedule number: 206
Household Members:
Name Age
Chas Dalemore 40
Harriet Dalemore 36
Frederick Dalemore 16
Frank Dalemore 13
Ada Dalemore 9
Lilly Dalemore 6
Hannah Dalemore 4
Joseph Dalemore 2

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THE ONLY BIRTH RECORD I CAN FIND IS 1868 - BUT I HAVE ORDERED THIS AND THE FATHER IS NOT HARRY

SO I NEED TO FIND;

1) HARRIETS BIRTH RECORD
2) HARRY LAMBETHS DEATH RECORD
3) HARRIET ON 1871 +1881 CENSUS

I CANNOT FIND ANY OF THESES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

so I got back the 1868 harriet lambeth BC - this is the wrong one as we know from her MC that her father was harry (deceased) ..........this one was Robert OH NO!!!
So can anyone help me find a birth record for Harriet going on her MC being 21 in 1884................plus I still cannot find a death record for her father Harry Lambeth............or can anyone find a marriage for a Harry Lambeth around the time of harriets birth............please help!

But it was not uncommmon for brides to state they were 21 or over to avoid the necessity for parental consent, so I wouldnt take that as gospel without further confirmation

On Harriets MC it has her age as being 21 (marriage in 1884) which means she was born c1863.........this is 5yrs from the only birth record I can find of 1868