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Many thanks for replies, I have birth and death cert. for wife - Ellen
Augusta Hewitt nee Meyers,dob 10th April1884.died 25Jun1962. Born in Harpenden, Herts, also have her parents marriage cert. Meyers is correct name. Death certificate for Sidney Charles Hewitt 29Jan1961 age 79yrs. Only other info from 1911 census which also shows my mother Ellen Amelia age 2yrs. My grandparents had a son, also Sidney Charles Hewitt, born 1916 and died in 1942/3 as a POW in Singapore.It is only Sidney senior I am having trouble finding pre 1911.Once again many thanks for your help
Ann

Ann - go back to your original thread. To find it, click on "my threads" on the left. Click on your thread, then click on the REPLY button at the top and put this information in the box.

Please everybody else -- go here!

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1171432

"Sidney Charles Hewitt"

and avoid spreading this one all over the board. ;)


Editing to add Ann's original info about Hewitt:

Have tried many,many sites,
found him on 1911 census @ 82 Windsor St.Islington,
age shown as 28,
married for 3 yrs.
born St.Lukes,London.
Later moved to 93,Windsor St.
Have his death cert.29Jan.1961.

Ann deleted the other thread.

Herewith what I had just posted.


Well, maybe the birth cert says AUGUSTA, but the GRO index doesn't.

Births Sep 1884
Meyers Ellen Agusto St. Alban's 3a 503


No Sidney C Hewitt was registered in 1916.

No Sidney with mother Meyers was registered in 1916.

There really are some name problems somewhere.



Births Mar 1917
Hewitt Sidney C MYERS Islington 1b 434



My conclusion is that Sidney was already married (possibly in the military at the time?) and he and Ellen did not marry.


Marriages Sep 1904
Hewitt Sidney Charles Farnham 2a 251
Quint Mabel Jessie Farnham 2a 251
Redwood Beatrice Alice Farnham 2a 251
Warren Thomas George Farnham 2a 251

But I conclude wrong. ;)

In 1911, that Sidney is in Farnham with wife Beatrice Alice. Or so the census says!

AnnAnnAnn - ya gotta reply in the thread, not by private message! I'm going to copy your PM here for the info of anyone who can help, this time.


janey, apologies, having stressful time here, trying to do two things at once.

Grandmother Ellen Augusta should be right name but I understand her mother who couldn't read or write registered her birth, I suppose the registrar took a wild guess, the death cert.shows Augusta.

Sidney Senior shown in 1911 census living at 82,Windsor St Islington, with Ellen Augusta and baby - Ellen Amelia.

Never knew Sidney junior as he died before I was born,am relying on information remembered by elderly sister age 79!

Saw two older messages posted requiring info on Sidney jnr. sister's family, replied about a month ago but no response as yet. Once again many apologies for "kibbs up" Ann



I don't see any messages about Ellen Amelia Hewitt, on a search. Did you try clicking on the poster's name and sending a message directly? If the person still has the same email address, they'll get a notice of that from GR. No notice of replies in threads is sent.


Sidney Jr's CSGC death record, for info - no family members named.

Name: HEWITT, SIDNEY CHARLES
Initials: S C
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Driver
Regiment/Service: Royal Army Service Corps
Unit Text: 53 Inf. Bde. Group Coy.
Age: 25
Date of Death: 22/03/1942
Service No: T/170511
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: 8. A. 16.
Cemetery: KRANJI WAR CEMETERY

You haven't named Ellen's parents and I haven't had much luck spotting them in the census - but is there any chance they were Jewish? Meyers and Ellen are both common names in the Jewish community in the censuses.

If so, I'm wondering whether Sidney had a name change himself, if perhaps he was Jewish. Yes, clutching at straws, here. ;)

Hmmmmm!

Sidney Sr was born about 1882 - died 1961 at 79. ;)


Also, I am really really sure that living children were not registered as "male" or "female". That was the practice when a child had died before the birth was registered, and had not been given a name/baptised.

-- edit -- lancashireann corrects me, from personal knowledge, and I stand corrected! I would just say it is *quite rare* for children to be registered without a given name. ;)

... I'd been looking for marriages with a "y", but not for the birth.

Births Dec 1881
HEWITT Sydney Charles Holborn 1b 775

I think that's pretty probably him.


And I'd guess him in 1901:

Name: Sidney Hewett
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Rohus St Lukes
- actually, it's the actual address where he was born!
42 ? Street, St Lukes - I really can't read the street name; anybody?

Civil parish: Islington
County/Island: London

Occupation: News agent's assistant
Registration district: Islington

If that is your man, he doesn't want to be found with parents in censuses.

This looks like him in 1891:

Name: Sidney Hewit
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation: Visitor
Where born: London, England

Civil parish: St Luke
Registration district: Holborn

Frederick P Colar 34 - surname is ONSLOW
Archie Colar 26 - given name is AMELIA, sigh
Annie Chance 17 - servants
Huggie Chance 18
George Riches 15
Lizzie Davey 25
Henry Bollatch 23 - lodgers
James Saffell 20
Arnold Martin 19
Henry Hewit 10 - visitors
Sidney Hewit 9


Huggie Chance, that's one for the files. It's Maggie.

This is Mr Onslow - in 1891, coffee house keeper, born Chester -

Births Mar 1857
Onslow Frederick Patrick G.Boughton 8a 342

But he doesn't seem to have married.

Note his wife's name: Amelia.

Is she the Hewit boys' mother?

I think so.


Births Sep 1897
Onslow Frederick Hewitt L Brighton 2b 208

Many,many thanks for all your hard work.abscence from message due to two days of hospital visits with sister. Will apply for birth cert. for Sidney Hewitt - Seniorborn 1882 @ St.Lukes,Holborn 1b775.
Information for Sidney junior now complete.
Re Sidney senior's wife Ellen Augusta Meyers, I have her birth cert. and her parents marriage cert.- 14th April 1879,Parish Church of Harpenden,Herts. Groom - Peter Meyers-'full age'-boot & shoe finisher-residence Harpenden - father-Henry Meyers-Traveller. Bride - Hannah Bunyan-'minor'-no profession- residence-Harpenden-father-James Bunyan-Labourer.Witnesses-Mother- Hannah Bunyan and elder brother William Bunyan Just to complicate matters the bride Hannah was known in later life as Emma.
Have managed to trace the Bunyan family back to 1829, but Peter Meyers,like Sidney Hewitt is proving somewhat elusive. To answer an earlier question to the best of my knowledge neither of the families had Jewish connections.
Once again many thanks for all your hard work.
Information on my mother-Ellen Amelia Hewitt is complete.
Ann

Do you have this about Peter Meyers? I imagine so ...


1881

Name: Peter Myers
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Hannah
Where born: Limehouse, Middlesex, England
Occupation: Boot Finisher

Civil parish: Hamlet
County/Island: London
Registration district: Mile End Old Town

Peter Myers 22
Hannah Myers 21
Hannah Myers 1

Have you checked this one out?


1871

Name: Henrch Meyer
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Henriette - born same
Where born: Hannover, Rothenberg
Occupation: Stevedore

Civil parish: St George in The East
County/Island: London
Registration district: St George In The East

Henrch Meyer 41
Henriette Meyer 37
George H Meyer 11
John H Meyer 10
Peter Meyer 9
Kate Meyer 6
Willm Meyer 2


Births Dec 1862 ?
MEYER Peter Henry St Geo East 1c 155
(there's a transcription problem)

Births Mar 1858 ?
Myer John Hothoft St Geo East 1c 428


Oh - you're welcome of course!

Janey, you are a genius, don't know what site you are using,but I couldn't find Peter Meyers on GR census. Likewise can't find Sidney senior on the two census returns(mentioned in replies to original enquiry) on GR census. It's unfortunate because the 1891 also mentions a Henry Hewitt age 10, which is probably Sidney senior's older brother, known as Harry. As for Hannah and Peter Meyers, the child Hannah age 1, is not known of, my grandmother
Ellen Augusta was the eldest (born 1884) then Martha, Walter,another brother name not known and Laura who was born very much later than the others. I know I am new to all this (& PC) but have tried other sites, which one did you and the others find all the info?
Ever grateful, Ann

Ancestry - the great goddess and great satan of sites. ;)

Ancestry is even getting a little better at its fuzzy searches. I think searching for Meyer* got me that Myers.

(The problem is that you can only use wild cards after the first 3 letters.)

I've been looking for more for both M(e)yer(s) and Onslow/Hewitt but having no luck with either.

And I have to run ... some may recognize this excuse: I am going to have a cat euthanized. The third one in 5 weeks. This is so bizarre I have begun to wonder whether someone in the new monster houses on the block has decided they don't like living in the middle of a feral colony (the rest of us feed them) and is doing something about it ... but more likely some infectious disease. This is my 13-yr-old girl cat and the last of the crew (which had peaked at 5 about 8 years ago) -- and all have since died of the exact same thing, an unknown wasting disease. Buck me up ...

Got your PM, Ann - just to let all know, Ann does have busy stressful days, so whenever you get back, Ann, just have another browse.


1901

Civil parish: St Albans
County/Island: Hertfordshire

Hannah Myers 43 - widow, laundry maid - born Harpenden
Annie Myers 22 - born Whitechapel - this will be Hannah from the 1881
Martha Myers 20 - born Marseilles, France!
Walter Myers 18 - born Paris, France!
Willie Myers 13 - born St Albans - brother name not known ;)
Laura Myers 11 - born St Albans


Ellen herself seems to have departed the nest.


So ... maybe not Jewish, but European. ;)

I expect that MYERS is an anglicization, and MEYER was probably the original. Or MEIER.

I deciphered the street name in 1901 for where Sidney was born. Actually, I asked Ancestry for streets in St Luke named ROH* in the 1881 census, which didn't work, so I tried RAH*. And it gave me: Rahere.

I had really hoped to find Amelia Hewitt there in 1881, a few months before Sydney was born. But no such luck.

There are two families, Roberts and Rodaway, and a couple of lodgers.

It will be interesting to see whether that is the address of the mother of Sydney Charles Hewitt born Q4 1881!


Ann - PM me your email address and I'll send you the census image for 1891 Sidney Hewitt - others if you like. I can send you up to 3 directly from Ancestry (then you can save the images to your own computer), or more if I save them first and then send them.

Ann - I've found the thread you were talking about --

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=611723

22nd August 2003 23:44
Would love to hear from anyone related to Sidney Charles Hewitt. He died in Singapore in 1942 but my mum remembers he had an older sister and that she had three children (her cousins). Please get in touch.

You might almost have won a prize for replying to the oldest message, there. ;) Back in that day, it wasn't possible to reply to messages on the boards, except by PM. So Linda, who wrote that, would never have looked for an answer there.

That's what Shirley explained in that thread (she just got confused by the names). Did you try that - click on the name of the person who posted that message? Notice will only reach that person if they still have the same email address as in 2003, or have updated it, unfortunately.

Oh! Googling SCH's name just found me the other thread your replied to, from 2008 --

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1047334

If you try a PM via that post, you might have more luck.

Heh. I've sent one for you, with the link to this thread. Just impatient. ;)

Just a bit of a search for Amelia, too - Sidney Sr's mum.
I think this must be her in 1871:

Name: Amelia E Hewitt
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas H
Mother's Name: Emily
Where born: Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Islington

Thomas H Hewitt 29 - smith & machinist, born Dover
Emily Hewitt 30 - born Essex (I think)
Amelia E Hewitt 5
Martha E M Hewitt 3
Alice Hewitt 1
Thomas H Hewitt 3 months

In 1881 she's a draper's assistant in St Mary Islington, as Hewett.


Sydney Charles Hewitt was registered in Holborn (St Luke is in Holborn dist). There are two possible Henrys in the same place:

Births Mar 1880
HEWITT Henry Thomas Holborn 1b 767

Births Dec 1880
HEWITT Henry Walter Holborn 1b 753

If the 1891 age is accurate, he would be the second one (if he was either of them; lots of Henrys).

What a funny coincidence.

I think it's coincidence, but I thought I'd just put it here in case.


Looking for Hew* in St Luke in 1881.

Sidney Sr's middle name was Charles.
Henry's middle name was Thomas?
Did their mother Amelia have (half?) brothers Charles and Thomas?


1881

Name: Charles Hewett
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Nephew
Where born: St Lukes, Middlesex, England

Name: Thomas Hewett
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Nephew
Where born: St Lukes, Middlesex, England

>>> Street Address: 3 Rahere St (Private)

James Warwick 38 - widower, Educational Toy Maker!
James Warwick 15
Elizabeth Hewett 42
Thomas Hewett 19
Charles Hewett 14

Name: Elizabeth Hewett
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Sister
Where born: Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
- widow, labourer


Very odd ... but these are surely them in 1871 in St James Clerkenwell

James Warwick 61 - harp string maker
Elizabeth Warwick 62
Elizabeth Warwick 34 - daughter (1837)
Thomas Warwick 8
Charles Warwick 4

For Elizabeth, it says "married" but her surname is ditto-ed to father James.

I'm not making head nor tails of that one.

Births Sep 1862
WARWICK Thomas Arthur Clerkenwell 1b 539

Births Dec 1866
Warwick Charles W Clerkenwell 1b 637

Births Dec 1865
Hewitt Amelia Elizabeth Clerkenwell 1b 652


Just me musing. I should wait for Sidney Sr's birth cert I think.

And who knows, cousin Linda may know all of this and more!
(Linda (Edwin) does have Sydney Hewitt 1882 in her tree.)

So grateful, all this info is a bit much to take in all at once! will spend the rest of the day matching things up. have ordered Sidney seniors birth cert. perhaps that
will help solve one problem. The list of Meyers children solves one mystery, have a photo taken in Nancy, France of three girls, one known to be granmother Ellen Augusta, other two must be Martha and Annie,Ellen Augusta is about ten years old, so the family must have gone to France again about 1894. Too much of a headache to wonder why, will save that one for later.Many thanks.