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The marriage certificate for Lee/Minnican will include her father's name - and her 'status'.

Had that on paper but just checked to prove i had not made a mistake..


Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1917 (64%)
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Minnican Thomas Lee Richmond Y. 9d 1331

Fred Lee 1906 june qt Bramley gro ref 6b 311

Roy

All sisters appear to have been around shipley 1904 to 1911 ( some family history other info from 1911 census ) so checked google map and although you could be correct . Shipley is 6 miles from bramley
and Middlesborough is 55miles. So will have to go with Bramley

Can't seem to find Slater lee on census for 1891/1901,nor can i find any army records or his death,can you tell me where you have seen info on army records.

Maryb

Births Dec 1881 (>99%)
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Lee Slater Bradford Y 9b 239

Ellen Elizabeth Cockerill registered dec 1889 in richmond making her about 15 if she married 1905.
Ellen Cockerill born Pickering North yorkshire 1885,so this could be the one who married John William Clunas in 1905 in Knaresborough.

Maryb

Maryb

Sorry my eyes gave up. I know that the sisters all went into service around shipley at mid teens. I know that Ellen Elizabeth Cockerill married Slater Lee, due to the family connection and info. I am not sure Slater Lee was in the army & died it was just an assumption because Ellen had Albert Edward Lee 1915 in Richmond also when i checked the national archives is showed a number of S.Lee in Various York Regiments that had died in WW1 alsoEllen then remarried as Ellen Lee to Thomas Minnican in 1917Richmond then went on to have a number of children as i have prevously posted on this thread. All children have mothers maiden name Cockerill, and i am in contact with a relation of Derek Minnican b1931 - that is where the info is comming from he was half brother to Frederick born c1906 an Albert Edward Lee born 1915. He cannot remember much about Frederick because he was 25 yrs younger than him. which is why i raised this thread in the first place.And yes Slater lee appears to be born in Bradford 1881

Ihave checked the only slater lee on 1911 census .
Slater lee born Calverley 1882 a warehouseman with wife Edith born Halifax 1883 married 5 years. with them are Lawrence Reginald 1906
Stewart 1908 and Monica 1910.

The address is 4,Westover Terrace
Bramley.

Maryb

Well i guess i am now very confused!

Could it be that their is some strange goings on in that area at the time!

I dont know how else to explain it

Anthony

ok see this

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page

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Births Sep 1918 (>99%)
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Minnican Thomas W L Cockerill Richmond Y. 9d 1101

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Births Dec 1919 (>99%)
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Minnican Vera I Cockerill Richmond Y. 9d 1317

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Births Jun 1922 (>99%)
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Minnican Joan Cockerill Richmond Y. 9d 1302
Minnican Norma Cockerill Richmond Y. 9d 1302

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Births Sep 1923 (>99%)
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Minnican Ella Cockerill Richmond Y. 9d 1195

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Births Sep 1927 (>99%)
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Minnican Raymond Cockerill Richmond Y. 9d 1060

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Births Sep 1931 (>99%)
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Minnican Derick Cockerill Richmond Y. 9d 1033


Then i see this

Marriages Dec 1917 (64%)
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Minnican Thomas Lee Richmond Y. 9d 1331

Then i see this

Marriages Sep 1905 (>99%)
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Clunas John William Knaresbro' 9a 171
Cockerill Ellen Knaresbro' 9a 171
DAVISON Edith Knaresbro' 9a 171
Lee Slater Knaresbro' 9a 171

Then i see this

Births Jun 1915 (>99%)
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Lee Albert E Cockerill Richmond Y. 9d 1317

So again i am confused

The only way to resolve this conundrum is to purchase certificates.

Only by checking documentation can you actually 'know' anything - sad, but true. And even then, if the people concerned told untruths, there may still be an element of doubt.

ok i see that.

but will you agree its is odd?
Since i am speaking to a living person who says the record are wrong.

Anthony

Hi Anthony do you know when Ellen Minnican died,at least then you can narrow down her birth year.
These problems are always annoying,but the answers are out there somewhere.
There is a Ellen Elizabeth Lee born about 1880 on the 1911 census in knaresborough,but I have just used my last credit on Slater lee,typical.

Maryb

Will ask . I wont get the answer tonite so will get back to you.

Anthony

Heres the 1911 Lee family.

Squire Lee 1869 Holbeck Leeds occ estate labourer.
Ellen Elizabeth 1880 Burnley married 11 years
William 1901 Leeds Holbeck
Herbert 1904 Leeds Churwell
Lillian 1907 Harrogate Pannal

address 25 Spring Terrace Oatlands Harrogate

marriage
Squire Lee married Ellen Elizabeth Barker 1900 mar qt Holbeck 9b 391

Fred Lee 1906 Bramley is not yours.
1911 census

Herbert Lee 27 Bramley occ forgeman labourer
Bertha Lee wife 25 Bramley married 5 years
Fred Lee 4 Bramley
Earnest Lee 2 month Bramley
Elizabeth Lee month( thats all it says) Bramley

Address 155 Town St Bramley Leeds.

Im thinking there wasnt a marriage to Mr Lee

Well I have have tried every which way and cannot find Slater Lee on 1891-1901 census,I have found info on Edith Davison who he seems to have married.

Maryb

Found him,its down to the useless transcribers again.
I searched just his first name Slater and it came up with Slater Moore born @ 1882 Calverley.
1891 Original view he is at 25,Kirkham St Rodley.
Thomas Lee 39 married born Calverley
Mary A 39 born Rodley
Annie 16
Joseph 14
Sarah12
Slater 9
At 23 Kirkham St Hannah Greenwood
Ann E Greenwood 33
Mary A Moore neice 50 the transcribers just carried the name Moore to next family but shoud have been Lee.
1901 25,Kirkham St
Thomas Lee
Mary A
Annie
joseph
Lee Lee on original view Slater age 19 born @ 1882.
Elsie Slater neice age 9.
Next door to them now are Elizabeth Slater born rodley unmarried so i think this is Slater's auntie.
Now we just have to crack the other problem.

Maryb

The amount of times the transcibers get it wrong is unbelievable and most annoying.

Well that still confuses the issue . Which Lee did Ellen Elizabeth Cockerill marry then ??