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Dea, dont waste your time looking at that one! the one with George is alot clearer and definately says Frances Fanny

Do you think that perhaps they hadn't married by 1891 but "lived together" and for the sake of propriety concocted a relationship? A good start would be one of those birth certificates!

but on 1881 census they both say married......so difficult to say!

Thanks for letting me know Stephen, I do so hate to be beaten!!

I have just come back from shopping and had left it up on screen so I had another look and it did look like 'Feny' or 'Fany', but with only one 'n'.

Dea x

No, sorry Stephen dont have his parents names - good luck with your search anyway x

Hi Stephen,

Haven't got much further with yours but in case it connects, this is hotchocs family on 1871:

1871 England Census
about Henry C Pyafinch
Name: Henry C Pyafinch
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Henry V
Mother's Name: Anne A
Gender: Male
Where born: Lambeth, Surrey, England
Civil parish: Camberwell St Giles
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: Camberwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 97
Household Members: Name Age
Henry V Pyafinch 60 Commercial traveller b Shoreditch.
Anne A Pyafinch 28
Henry C Pyafinch 8
Thomas C Pyafinch 6
Gerald Pyafinch 3 *****
Ann Driscoll 18 servant

at 91 Camberwell Grove.

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 723; Folio: 59; Page: 19; GSU roll: 823350.

Their marriage:

Marriages Jun 1865 (>99%)
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Cartwright Annie Alice Lewisham 1d 1128
Pyefinch Henry Vandervall Lewisham 1d 1128



Dea x

thanks for that Dea, unfortunately I dont seem to have a match to hotchoc that I can see at the moment.........will keep this in mind as I continue my tree though!