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I am looking to find the marriage c 1898 in Dursley Glos ( or possibly Williton, Somerset ) of :
Joseph Workman & Mary ?

Which couple are they in 1901 ? The one in Pershore ? if yes then there is a possible marriage in Pershore in 1896. Probably not as wrong area

If not then which family are you looking at in 1901

Glitterbaby is right - we need a little more, such as the 1901 census or at least a child's name. How do you know the year of marriage?
.There aren't too many Joseph Workmans around so if he married it should be possible to find him.
Jan

Thank you.

In 1901 - Joseph is away in Marylebone , London at Dentistry School.

He & his wife Mary (?) had a child in 1899 called Ada Lily. I havent found them yet on the 1901, but suspect they will either be in Dursley ( Josephs home town - Josephs father - also called Joseph, was a Weslyan Mnister ) or Williton, Somerset - Marys home town.

I am trying to find out more about Mary - particularly her surname & more about her family etc.

There are two other Joseph/Mary possibles:

Marriages Sep 1902
Burton Mary Jane Basford 7b 295
Guest Edith Ann Basford 7b 295
Hathersmith William Basford 7b 295
Workman Joseph Basford 7b 295

Marriages Sep 1901 (>99%)
NORTON Mary Ellen Newport, M. 11a 421
ROGERS Harry Newport M 11a 421
TAYLOR Lottie Newport M 11a 421
WORKMAN Joseph Newport M 11a 421

So, really the place of marriage could be anywhere?

For ref:

Births Dec 1899 (>99%)
Workman Ada Lily Dursley 6a 279

Jan

mmmmmm.

I really appreciate you looking for me, but neither of them sound right......

I really believe that given Josephs father was a Minister of the church, it would be highly unlikely that they married AFTER, their daughter was born. Also, I would be surprised if it wasnt in Dursley ( and Joseph Snr could have been the minister in charge )......
Perhaps they married before 1898?

Joseph was born in 1874 - so anytime after 1892 perhaps?

Struggling to find Ada in 1901


BUT FMP has a Ada L Workman age 2 listed in Worcestershire which I can not find on Ancestry and got no credits left on FMP to check out the entry

Thanks folks .....have been off line, so only just got your last message Glitter baby

Worc's sounds possible in 1901, but , what is FMP please?

Gill

did you get Joseph & Mary's details from the 1911 census?

If so please could you list it for us or if not where did you get your information from.

I can't find a Joseph Workman on the 1881 census born c1874 in Gloucetsershire (with or without a father Joseph). There are a surprising number of Joseph Workman's, mainly born Worcestershire

edit FMP is the site Find My Past

For ref

You say this is your Joseph in 1901 but he is given as single.

1901 England Census
about Joseph Workman
Name: Joseph Workman
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Wales

Civil parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: St Marylebone and St Thomas Portman Square
County/Island: London
Country: England



Registration district: St Marylebone
Sub-registration district: Rectory
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 41
Household Members: Name Age
Eliza Thurley 77
Annie Brinkworth Hopkins 41
Henry Ichenhauser 30
Joseph Oppenheim 42
Nina Lablache 25
Bernardin Harman 26
Florence Laws 18
Mabel Fitcher 15
Joseph Workman 27

Christine

1881 England Census
about Joseph Workman
Name: Joseph Workman
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Joseph
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Mold, Flintshire, Wales

Civil parish: South Petherton
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Street Address: Palmer Street
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Yeovil
Sub-registration district: South Petherton
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Workman 43
Mary Workman 43
Edith Workman 13
Blanche Workman 11
Alice Maud Workman 9
Joseph Workman 7
Henrietta Granger 26


Christine

If you get the birth cert for Ada Lily, it will give you her mothers maiden name and help in tracing the marriage.

How do you know Joseph and Mary are her parents if you don't have the cert.

Christine

Joseph in 1891 for ref

1891 England Census
about Joseph Workman
Name: Joseph Workman
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Joseph
Gender: Male
Where born: Mold, Flintshire, Wales

Civil parish: Weston Super Mare
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Registration district: Axbridge
Sub-registration district: Weston Super Mare
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Workman 53 wid, born Dursley, Glos
Mary E Workman 24
Edith J Workman 23
Joseph Workman 17 dental student
Emma Arlidege 26


Christine

This is the marriage possibility Glitter Baby mentioned at the beggining of the thread, why could it not be a possibility?

People married all over the place...I have quite a few in my tree who married in neither of the couples birthplace or family area......


Marriages Jun 1896 (>99%)
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ARCHER Mary Jane Pershore 6c 595
Faizey Jenny Maria Pershore 6c 595
Faizley Jenny Maria Pershore 6c 595
JONES James Thomas Pershore 6c 595
WORKMAN Joseph Pershore 6c 595


I think you really need to get Ada Lilys birth cert. to confirm mothers maiden name.

Nicky

Here is the birth of the daughter of Joseph Workman & Mary (?)
Births Dec 1899
Workman Ada Lily Dursley 6a 279

I therefore assumed that Joseph & Marys marriage would have likely taken place a year earlier c 1898.

I know that Josephs father ( also called Joseph) was a Weslyan Church Minister from Dursley (but moved around a lot )
I know that Joseph was a dentist.
In 1901 census - Joseph is away, training in London at Dentist School.
I assumed that he had said he was single - as he was 'on his own' in London at the time of the Census.

This is Joseph as a child with his parents & siblings in :
1881 Census: In South Petherton, Somerset
Joseph WORKMAN Head M Male 43 Dursley, Gloucester, England Wesleyn Minister
Mary WORKMAN Wife M Female 43 Williton, Somerset, England
Edith WORKMAN Daur Female 13 Crewe, Cheshire, England Scholar
Blanche WORKMAN Daur Female 11 Chorley, Lancashire, England Scholar
Alice Maud WORKMAN Daur Female 9 Chorley, Lancashire, England Scholar

Joseph WORKMAN Son Male 7 Mold, Flint, Wales Scholar

Henrietta GRANGER Serv U Female 26 Sth Petherton, Somerset, England General Servant Domestic
Dwelling Palmer Street
Census Place South Petherton, Somerset, England
Family History Library Film 1341575
Public Records Office Ref RG11 Piece / Folio 2390 / 48 Page Number 1

This is the only Ada L. of the correct age in 1911 ...here she is with her family

HOUSEHOLD WORKMAN ADA LILLIAN F 1899 12 Kings Norton Worcestershire
HOUSEHOLD WORKMAN ALICE REBECCA F 1901 10 Kings Norton Worcestershire
HOUSEHOLD WORKMAN ANNIE F 1905 6 Kings Norton Worcestershire
HOUSEHOLD WORKMAN ARTHUR EARNEST M 1896 15 Kings Norton Worcestershire
HOUSEHOLD WORKMAN HILDA MAY F 1907 4 Kings Norton Worcestershire
HOUSEHOLD WORKMAN LAURA F 1902 9 Kings Norton Worcestershire
HOUSEHOLD WORKMAN REBECCA F 1875 36 Kings Norton Worcestershire
HOUSEHOLD WORKMAN SIDNEY WALTER M 1872 39 Kings Norton Worcestershire


Nicky

As said previously you really need the birth cert for Ada Lily.

How do you know that Joseph and Mary are the parents if you don't have the cert.

Christine

1911 Census

Searched for a Joseph Workman b. 1874 +/- 1 yr, occupation Dental Surgeon

HOUSEHOLD WORKMAN JOSEPH M 1874 37 St George London

There doesn't appear to be any other Workmans in the same household.

I would have a look at that census if I were you. How can you be sure that he married please? Are you certain that he had children? Could the Joseph that was the father of Ada Lily be another Joseph - perhaps a cousin of your Joseph?

Also wondering why you think they would have gone back to Dursley as they hadn't lived there for many years but Joseph the minister was born there.

Christine