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Hi,
I'm trying to trace my Nana's family. She was born in Eastchurch in 1922. Her name is Gweneth, King (now Brett). She told me her parents names were Thomas King (1882?/1964) and Emily Howting. There are a lot of Kings and Howtings from Eastchurch and I wondered if anyone could help me pinpoint exactly the family line. I've come up with a few variants but I don't want to get a couple of names wrong and end up going off on a tangent!!!

Many thanks

Sarah

Possible marriage

Elizabeth ??not Emily.

But there is one bride missing from the page..


Marriages Dec 1902 (>99%)
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Harris Leopold Charles Sheppey 2a 2125
>>>>Howting Elizabeth Sheppey 2a 2125
............King Aaron Sheppey 2a 2125
>>>King Thomas Eril Sheppey 2a 2125
Yates Sarah Sheppey 2a 2125

Are these your nans brothers and sisters.?

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page

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Births Jun 1913 (>99%)
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King Hilda M Howting Sheppey 2a 2039

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Births Dec 1913 (>99%)
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King Harry Howting Sheppey 2a 2009

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Births Jun 1915 (>99%)
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King Annie Howting Sheppey 2a 1866

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Births Mar 1916 (>99%)
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King Violet M Howting Sheppey 2a 1843

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Births Sep 1917 (>99%)
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King Dorothy Howting Sheppey 2a 1506

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Births Dec 1919 (>99%)
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King William T Howting Sheppey 2a 2032

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Births Sep 1922 (>99%)
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King Grenith Howting Sheppey 2a 1828 <<nans name spelt wrong or been changed?

Did Thomas have a second name?
His death reg in Sheppy 1964 gives the initial A for a second name.

Births Sep 1882 (>99%)
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King Thomas Aaron Sheppey 2a 890

Your greatgrandma?

Births Jun 1884 (>99%)
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Howting Emily Sheppey 2a 901

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KING, Tomas Aaron Head Married M 28 1883 Waggoner On Farm Kent Eastchurch Ils of Sheppey VIEW
KING, Emily Elizabeth Wife Married
8 years F 27 1884 Kent Eastchurch Ils of Sheppey VIEW
>>>HOWTING, Edward King Son M 8 1903 Kent Eastchurch Ils of Sheppey VIEW
KING, Sharlotte Daughter F 6 1905 School Kent Eastchurch Ils of Sheppey VIEW
KING, Elizabeth Jaine Daughter F 4 1907 Kent Eastchurch Ils of Sheppey VIEW
KING, Carralione Daughter F 2 1909 Kent Eastchurch Ils of Sheppey VIEW
KING, Emma Daughter F 0 (7 MONTHS) 1911 Kent Eastchurch Ils of Sheppey VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
4473 Reference:
RG14PN4473 RG78PN183 RD62 SD2 ED4 SN55

Registration District:
Sheppey Sub District:
Eastchurch EnumerationDistrict:
4 Parish:
Eastchurch

Address:
New Building's Farm Eastchurch


One child born out of wedlock??
or it looks as though Howting may be his middle name
And not brilliant transcribing of the christian names..

Hi Vivienne,

My Nana's dad was definitely Thomas Aaron King. It's Emily that I'm having more trouble with.
My mum has spoken to my nan on the phone but she's a bit deaf so we're having trouble finding out her brothers and sisters names!
Thank you for the info. I will get my mum to shout the names at her next time she phones!

Many thanks again

Sarah

Somebody has corrected all these census ,but it wont let me see who..

1901 England Census
about Emily Howling
Name: Emily Howling
[Emily Howting]
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Edward
Mother's Name: Carry
Gender: Female
Where born: Eastchurch, Kent, England

Civil parish: Eastchurch
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Eastchurch
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Sheppey
Sub-registration district: Eastchurch
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 14
Household Members: Name Age
Edward Howling 50
Carry Howling 42
Emily Howling 16
Alfred Howling 15
James Howling 14
Hilda Howling 11
Henry Howling 10
William Howling 7
Herbert Howling 4
Charlotte Howling 7 months


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1891 England Census
about Emily Hewting
Name: Emily Hewting
[Emily Howting]
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Edward
Mother's Name: Caroline
Gender: Female
Where born: Eastchurch Sheppey, Kent, England

Civil parish: Warden
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: Elmley
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Sheppey
Sub-registration district: Eastchurch
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Edward Hewting 39
Caroline Hewting 31
Clara Hewting 12
Annie Hewting 10
Minnie Hewting 7
Emily Hewting 5
Alfred Hewting 5
James Hewting 3
Ellar Hewting 1

Yes...
First child to Emily Elizabeth and Thomas Aaron King born just before marriage

Births Sep 1902 (>99%)
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Howting Edward King Sheppey 2a 1022

Ooh maybe that's why my nan was being so vague on the phone! She kept that quiet! That would've been a massive deal in those days I'm guessing.

Pretty much...

But very strange that they listed him as Howting on 1911 and didnt change his name to King as he appears to be both of their child going on the middle name of King!

Maybe they did later and your nan didnt know.

That's what's confusing me so much. There are tiny errors when I search that make me second guess myself. I wish there was a definitive way to search that could confirm every detail that comes up in other searches. Sometimes the census doesn't match the birth date etc.
It's really starting to confuse me!

Thanks for all you're doing to help. It's greatly appreciated

S

Have you seen the 1911 image? if not you should,there is something of interest on it

Did you correct the Howting spellings on Ancestry?

Census are more often than not out in the ages as people had so many kids that they guessed a lot of the time at ages,also a lot of them were illiterate and the census taker just wrote what he thought he heard!

I haven't corrected any spellings. I had no idea you could do that.

Where would I find the 1911? It only goes up to 1901 on here doesn't it?

Thank you

If you didnt correct the spellings then someone else is tracing Emily or one of her siblings for a family tree.

This site does not hold any records,you pay them to send you to other sites.
You are better off looking at other sites.
But first the 1911

http://www.1911census.co.uk/

You will need to register and then buy credits to view,but searching is free.

If you send me your email by private message I will try to send you the image as I subscribe to Find my Past and have it as part of my package.
Im not very good at sending attatchments though as I have only just learnt how and it often goes into cyberspace somewhere I think.

Do you mind if I send the image to someone more experienced on here for a second opinion and to see what they make of it as it is a bit baffling to me?

No that's absolutely fine

2nd opinion in..

BS by parentage means born outside the UK to British parents who conveyed their citizenship to the child. Actually it would only have been the father's-side parentage that counted.

Hardly makes sense in this case since they were all British born.

Is that the form filled out by the householder? A confused householder maybe, who thought it had to be filled out with something.

Whom it seems to apply to is Emily Elizabeth, since it's scrunched and starts on her line, although it could conceivably be meant to apply from her down.

Dunno. If she wasn't born abroad, which it says she wasn't, why say that?

That first kid is registered as Edward King HOWTING in Sheppey. Is that actually a name? I don't see a birth for Emily Elizabeth as such ... Oh yeah, it's a real Sheppey name. She's Emily Howting reg Jun Q 1884 presumably born March.

So I have no idea why nationality would come into it. I'd say Mr King over-read the form.


Thank you Janey..
I see what you mean ,but why only apply it to Emily if he thinks he should put nationality down?
No answer to that I guess..

Oh well now -- will I get a footnote then? ;)
(ah, you edited and credited!)


Viv, did you not look at Ancestry to see who did the correction and what they said??

click on the Additional Info link over on the left, or on the name in square brackets. Here, allow me -- the actual correction is on the father's name and applied to the other household members.

Right. The person who made the correction didn't say word one. May be somebody completely unrelated who happened to see it (I do that all the time - but I always say I'm not related), or a close family member (when I correct my own family I say what my connection is and invite contacts).

The correction was made in April 2004 and the member last logged in to Ancestry last week. If you subscribe at Ancestry, all you have to do is go to the Edward Howling record in 1901, click on the corrected name, click on the username, and click "contact" to send a message.

Many thanks to you both!

Is 'Ancestry' more comprehensive than this site?

If so, I'm signing up now!

S