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Colin the 1911 is very confusing. I have looked up the birth of your nan Elizabeth Ellen in mar 1891 and there are no other Banks recorded.

The census has been written in 2 different handwritings.

Do you thinks that John could have done the first bit and put down Eliza Ellen age 20 and then someone else perhaps Harry Murray added his and his wife's name. I do think that Eliza Ellen and Elizabeth Ellen are probably the same person. Someone has also written marr 15 yrs against the Murray couple then crossed it out and in pencil underneath it says 1yr which is the more likely one.

I am not sure also about the 1901 family I have added above as I found another one with a John, a Mary Eliza, Elizabeth E and an Annie

Don't they like to send up on wild goose chases

Jennifer

the Fylde marriage John Banks is the wrong groom for Charlotte Goode - she married John Moore

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1902
GOODE Charlotte
MOORE John
Blackpool, St.Paul

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1902
BANKS John Edwin Ward
HAMILTON Sarah Ellen
Blackpool, St.Paul

Oh Ann now you've confused me even more!!

I'd forgotten about those Lancs BMD's they are very good.

from same source Roberts marriage (at a guess mis-transcribed!!!)

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1909
BANKS Robert
PIERCY Robert
Everton, St. George

I think you really need your nan's birth certificate. Apart from proving the maiden name of her mother, if she was a twin I think it was usual to include the time of birth on the certificate, presumably so that it later years it could be proved who was the elder.

Colin I know you said that John's wife was Mary Ellen but in 1891 it is Sarah

John Banks
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Sarah A
Gender: Male
Where born: Maghull, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Walton On The Hill
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Walton On The Hill
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Walton
ED, institution, or vessel: 45
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Banks 27 occ; Carter
Sarah A Banks 26
Robert J Banks 3
Elizabeth E Banks 3/12

Jennifer

I agree with Lancashire Ann you really need some birth certs, your nan's and perhaps one of the younger children Ada or John