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Have almost given up on finding this person.Can anyone help- please. He was born 1839Bridge Nr Canterbury, Kent there is no record of his birth or of his parents. I do have his obituary which was in the Bath Chronicle March 26th 1916 and gives all details of his life from the age of 17, but, nothing before then. He did live most of his life in Bath.
Hopeful
MaggieMay

1881

Henry G. MONTAGUE Head M Male 42 Nr Canterbury, Kent, England Sanitary & General Inspector (Munic)
Louisa M. MONTAGUE Wife M Female 36 Bath, Somerset, England
Henry G. MONTAGUE Son U Male 18 Bath, Somerset, England Solicitors General Clerk
Charles F. MONTAGUE Son U Male 16 Bath, Somerset, England High Bailiffs Clerk (Olo)
Albert E. MONTAGUE Son U Male 14 Bath, Somerset, England Solicitors General Clerk
Florence E. MONTAGUE Daur U Female 11 Bath, Somerset, England Scholar
Ethel MONTAGUE Daur Female 9 Bath, Somerset, England Scholar
Louise M. MONTAGUE Daur Female 5 Bath, Somerset, England Scholar
Edith B. MONTAGUE Daur Female 2 Bath, Somerset, England
Esther HUCKLEBRIDGE Serv U Female 27 Bath, Somerset, England General Serv Domestic


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Source Information:
Dwelling 3 Victoria Place
Census Place Walcot, Somerset, England
Family History Library Film 1341587
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 2439 / 118
Page Number 28

sorry about this - looks like you have a convict

1881

John EXLEY Convict W Male 62 Clayton West, York, England Convicted Felon
Robert COLMER Convict M Male 66 Crewkerne, Somerset, England Convicted Felon
John JOSEPHS Convict M Male 42 London, Middlesex, England Convicted Felon
William FOSTER Convict M Male 33 London, Middlesex, England Convicted Felon
Thomas EDWARD Convict U Male 21 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Convicted Felon
Henry MONTAGUE Convict M Male 40 Canterbury, Kent, England Convicted Felon
John FENN Convict U Male 21 London, Middlesex, England Convicted Felon
William BIRD Convict U Male 22 London, Middlesex, England Convicted Felon
John ESKINE Convict U Male 31 Scotland Convicted Felon
Henry PERRY Convict U Male 25 Ilford, Essex, England Convicted Felon
Thomas THORNE Convict U Male 21 London, Middlesex, England Convicted Felon
Giovanni LUZATTO Convict U Male 28 (F), Italy Convicted Felon
James HAWES Convict U Male 22 London, Middlesex, England Convicted Felon
William JONES Convict M Male 63 Aston, Leicester, England Convicted Felon
John SMITH Convict U Male 25 Scotland Convicted Felon
William BOWIE Convict U Male 27 Scotland Convicted Felon
John GIBSON Convict M Male 27 Scotland Convicted Felon
Archibald ROSS Convict U Male 22 Scotland Convicted Felon
Sinclair MILLER Convict U Male 23 Scotland Convicted Felon
Alfred HOWE Convict U Male 30 London, Middlesex, England Convicted Felon
(Continued)


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Source Information:
Institution "Pentonville Prison"
Census Place London, Middlesex, England
Family History Library Film 1341054
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0248 / 95
Page Number 16

1881 - rich relations?


William E. MONTAGUE Head M Male 40 Lincolnshire, Middlesex, England No Occupation
Elizabeth MONTAGUE Wife M Female 39 Bloomsbury, Middlesex, England No Occupation
Madeline MONTAGUE Daur U Female 15 St Johns Wood, Middlesex, England Scholar
Henry E. MONTAGUE Son U Male 12 Margate, Kent, England Scholar
William S. MONTAGUE Son U Male 9 Margate, Kent, England Scholar
Charles L. MONTAGUE Son U Male 7 Margate, Kent, England Scholar
Helena MONTAGUE Daur U Female 5 Margate, Kent, England Scholar
Constance D. MONTAGUE Daur U Female 3 Margate, Kent, England
Frank H. MONTAGUE Son U Male 2 Margate, Kent, England
Mabel MONTAGUE Daur U Female 1 Margate, Kent, England
Ellen VINCIR Wifes Sister U Female 31 Margate, Kent, England Visitor
Mary Ann ANSELL Nurse U Female 30 Margate, Kent, England Nurse Domestic Servant
Eliza ANSELL Serv U Female 16 Margate, Kent, England General Domestic Servant


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Source Information:
Dwelling 122 Ladbury Rd
Census Place London, Middlesex, England
Family History Library Film 1341003
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0012 / 106
Page Number 16

1911 says he does not know where he was born !
And he is a cradle snatcher by the looks of it..;)

Address:
15 Park Crescent Whitehall St George

MONTAGUE, Henry Grahame Head Married M 72 1839 Pensioned Police Inspector Not Known
MONTAGUE, Elizabeth Wife Married
1 years F 29 1882 South Wles Blaina
MONTAGUE, Reginald Son Single M 15 1896 Factory Employment Bath Combe Down
MONTAGUE, Gladys Daughter F 14 1897 Bath Combe Down
MONTAGUE, Douglas Son M 12 1899 Bath Combe Down
MONTAGUE, Percy Son M 9 1902 Bristol
MONTAGUE, Ella Daughter F 7 1904 Bristol
MONTAGUE, Ronald Son M 5 1906 Bristol
MONTAGUE, Ivy Elizabeth Daughter F 3 1908 Bristol
MONTAGUE, Evelyn Daughter F 0 (1 MONTH) 1911 Bristol

Following him back here he is in 1851 in Jersey(I think)

1851

MONTAGU, Henry Pupil Unmarried M 12 1839 Scholar
England

Address:
Sion House, St Saviours County:
Jersey

2 choices for 1841...Personally I would go for the Kent one,but one of his marriage certs would give you a fathers name (or not) you may have a better idea.

MONTAGU, Edward M 50 1791 Suffolk
MONTAGU, Eleanor F 42 1799
MONTAGU, Julia F 11 1830 Suffolk
MONTAGU, Eleanor F 6 1835 Suffolk
MONTAGU, Everard M 5 1836 Suffolk
MONTAGU, Decimus M 4 1837 Suffolk
MONTAGU, Henry M 2 1839 Suffolk
MONTAGU, - F 0 (3 weeks) 1841 Suffolk

Address:
Northgate Street, Beccles County:
Suffolk

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Not with family..Looks as though he may be with a wet nurse or as a foster child?


ELSWORTH, Mary F 20 1821 Kent
ELSWORTH, Wm M 1 1840 Kent
MONTAGUE, Henry M 0 (7 months) 1841 Kent

Address:
Warwick Street, Woolwich, Greenwich County:
Kent

His marriage cert ot Louisa will give his fathers name and occupation and the witnesses migh t help too
Henry Grahame Montagu married Louisa Maria Bennett 1861 Dec Q Bath 5c 1259

His first marriage..
And hopefully it might have a fathers name on,but it does look as though the 1841 child in Kent may be illegitimate.

Marriages Dec 1861
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BENNETT Louisa Maria Bath 5c 1259
Montagu Henry Grahame Bath 5c 1259

I sent a message to Margaret a while back but she hasn't read it yet

Thank you Ann..

viv

1911 says pensioned police inspector although in 1901 he is still a retired sanitory inspector and widow.

Maryb

And from 1901 back it says Sanitary Inspector,so I suspect 1911 is wrong as that is the one he filled in himself !

An interesting birth to go with the 7months child on 1841 as there is no "Henry Montagu/e" for him.
And the name doesnt show on 1841 or 1851 at least.
And no death that I can find.

Births Mar 1841
Barnet Henry Barnett Montague Greenwich 5 235

1871 kids were Albert E 1867
Charles 1865
henry G 1863.

1891 he was a widow as louisa Maria died 1890 kids with him Florence age 22
Ethel 19

Edith 12
Lilla 9
Mabel 6

1901 kids with him
Gordon 1894
Gladys 1897
Alice age 8
Douglas 1899
Elizabeth Tucker domestic servant born Blaina Wales age 18 this is the elizabeth off 1911 census
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1911 kids with them Reginald 1896
Douglas 1899
Percy 1902
Ella 1904
Ronald 1906
Ivy Elizabeth 1908
Evelyn 1 month.

Who was the mother of the kids born between 1890 to 1901 and after as on 1911 census it says Henry and elizabeth married 1 year and had 1 child in that marriage.
Henry was a bit of a lad as I think i counted about 18 children.

Maryb

Married FOUR times,! did he wear his wives out with childbearing???


Marriages Dec 1861
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Montagu Henry Grahame Bath 5c 1259


Marriages Dec 1891
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Montagu Henry Grahame Axbridge 5c 977

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Marriages Jun 1902
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MONTAGU Henry Graham Bristol 6a 212

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Marriages Sep 1909
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MONTAGU Henry Grahame Bristol 6a 391

Yes just found all those but could the 1902 be his son do you think.
The Graham is spelt different.

Maryb
P.S its a wonder he didn't wear something else out.

I wondered both those things too Mary.

But I still think that Henry Barnett Montague Barnet Greenwich birth would be worth investigating.

What do you think.

Message from Margaret.

Hi
I do have that info on Jerrsey and did contact the Jersey dept who very kindly looked into the school and the pupils. However the school disappeared and all records of the pupils disappeared as well. I did think that looked so promising.
Many thanks for all of your investigations

From Margaret

Margaret.
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Do you have Henrys marriage to any of his wives for his (possible)fathers name? If not you really need to invest in one ,the one to Louisa would be best as it may have other of his family on as witnesses.

So you dont think there is any chance of him being born under another surname(like Barnet )then ?
viv

Thanks will get the hang of this procedure eventually.
On all the certifcates I have Henry puts his father as Charles of independant means. Whether Charles ever existed or not is another matter. In the obituary I have there is no mention of any siblings or other of his family members neither is there in his will. I do have all the relevant documents etc for him from the age of 17, but , as I have said nothing relating to his birth or parents. He did tell my grandmother she would never find out where he came from, and oh! boy did he hide that info.
As you can image after 4 marriages and 19 children there are many descendants and due to the internet many of us have made contact and we are all looking for our heritage details.
Any ideas where one could go to find someone illegitimate?

Margaret