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i am looking into my history,my grandad was herbert rice newton,he had an older brother called james age 21,a twin called rice age 9 and a sister called elizabeth age 14.i have come to a dead end with their parents,james and mary ann,in the 1911 cencus they were living in bordsley green in birmingham.
if anyone can guide me further back that would be great
many thanks.
shaun furnandiz

do you have a dob for him please?

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Births Mar 1902 (>99%)
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NEWTON Herbert Rice Aston 6d 372


Births Mar 1902 (>99%)
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NEWTON Rice Herbert Aston 6d 372

1911

HOUSEHOLD NEWTON ELIZABETH F 1897 14 Aston Warwickshire
HOUSEHOLD NEWTON HERBERT M 1902 9 Aston Warwickshire
HOUSEHOLD NEWTON JAMES M 1861 50 Aston Warwickshire
HOUSEHOLD NEWTON JAMES M 1890 21 Aston Warwickshire
HOUSEHOLD NEWTON MARY ANN F 1861 50 Aston Warwickshire
HOUSEHOLD NEWTON RICE M 1902 9 Aston Warwickshire

1901 England Census
about James Newton
Name: James Newton
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1890
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Mary A
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Saviour
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Erdington
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 60
Household Members: Name Age
James Newton 41 >>> occupation; railway shunter
Mary A Newton 42
Arthur Newton 18
Selina Newton 16
Maria Newton 13
James Newton 11
James Wragg 31 >>>>>>> boarder


All born Birmingham accept mother Mary, she was born in Pimlico, London.

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1891 England Census
about James Newton
Name: James Newton
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1890
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmingham

Civil parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
Town: Bordesley
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Deritend
ED, institution, or vessel: 72
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Newton 33
Mary Ann Newton 33
Selina Newton 6
Arthur Newton 9
Maria Newton 4
James Newton 1



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1881 England Census
about James Newton
Name: James Newton
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary A.
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Aston
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address: Vauxhall Rd 14 Railway Cottages Stony Place
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Shunter

Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Duddeston
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Newton 21
Mary A. Newton 22
William A. Newton
Mary Ann Hadley 55 >>>>>>>>> visitor




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A possible marriage, bearing in mind the surname of the visitor in 1881;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Jun 1880 (>99%)
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hadley Mary Ann Aston 6d 330
Jones Margaret Ann Aston 6d 330
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Newton James Aston 6d 330
Smith Henry Aston 6d 330




Dee x

Now you would really need the marriage certificate to confirm the next step......... I would hazard a guess that James's father was in the railway business of his occupation.... sons often followed their fathers, but NOT always. So this is just a guess;

1871 England Census
about James Newton
Name: James Newton
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Edwin
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: Duddeston Cum Nechells
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Duddeston
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Household schedule number: 108
Household Members: Name Age
Edwin Newton 39 >>>>>>>>>> Railway Porter.
Ann Newton 40
James Newton 11
William Newton 8
Martha Newton 7
Edwin Newton 5
Lizzy Newton 8 months
Edward Jones 31


Dee x

I think Mary A's fathers name is a bit of a giveaway here!!!

1871 England Census
about Mary Ann Hadley
Name: Mary Ann Hadley
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Rice
Mother's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: London, England
Civil parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
Town: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 36
Household schedule number: 109
Household Members: Name Age
Rice Hadley 49
Mary Ann Hadley 49
Emma Hadley 19
Maria Hadley 14
Mary Ann Hadley 12
Arthur Hadley 6


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1851 England Census
about Rice Hadley
Name: Rice Hadley
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: GUN MAKER

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Duddeston
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 67
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Whitehouse 52
Emma Whitehouse 52
William Whitehouse 17
Joseph Whitehouse 13
James Beck 60
Rice Hadley 30
Mary Hadley 28
Sarah Hadley 3
Richard Hadley 1


His marriage;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1845 (>99%)
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GOLDSTRAW Paul W Bromwich 18 778
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>HADLEY Rice W Bromwich 18 778
Lissimore Elizabeth W Bromwich 18 778
Lowe Edward W Bromwich 18 778
PARKES Ann W Bromwich 18 778
ROYLE John Stourbridge 18 778
SAVAGE Ann Titley W Bromwich 18 778
SAVAGE Anne Titley W Bromwich 18 778
Southall Thomas W Bromwich 18 778
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>WHITEHOUSE Mary W Bromwich 18 778



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1841 England Census
about Rice Hadley
Name: Rice Hadley
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1820
Gender: Male
Where born: Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Birmingham
Hundred: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St Mary
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Hadley 60
Rice Hadley 21 >>>>>>> GUNSMITH
Zilla Hadley 18
Maria Renshaw 28
William Renshaw 4


The family above Rice's family is also Hadley, Edwin is 30 and is also in the GUN Profession.


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From family search (IGI);

RICE HADLEY Pedigree
Male


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Event(s):
Birth: 01 JAN 1820

Christening: 31 MAR 1823 Saint Phillips, Birmingham, Warwick, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: JOHN HADLEY Family
Mother: MARY





Dee x

thank you all for your help,especially you dee,i wonder if you could help with my paternal line.i am estranged from my father(richard furnandiz born c1941 in hull)i believe his father could be sidney furnandis but really am not sure
thanks again

Hi shaun,

I see Richards mother was a Robinson...and he has a younger sister??? This sounding right??

The surname is quite unusual, this is a very big help!!!

Looking like his fathers birth?


Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page

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Births Dec 1912 (>99%)
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Furnandis Sidney Kilvington Sculcoates 9d 490



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His death;

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Sidney Furnandiz
Name: Sidney Furnandiz
Death Registration Month/Year: 1964
Age at death (estimated): 51
Registration district: Preston
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10f
Page: 276



Did he also remarry?


Dee x

Probably his parents;

1911 census free search;

HOUSEHOLD FURNANDIZ GERTRUDE F 1881 30 Sculcoates Yorkshire East Riding (with York)
HOUSEHOLD FURNANDIZ ISABELLA F 1886 25 Sculcoates Yorkshire East Riding (with York)
HOUSEHOLD FURNANDIZ MARJORIE ISABELLA F 1910 1 Sculcoates Yorkshire East Riding (with York)
HOUSEHOLD FURNANDIZ WALTER M 1883 28 Sculcoates Yorkshire East Riding (with York



Dee x

Got to nip out, I'll try and pick this up later... if not it will be in the morning.


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Parents marriage;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Sep 1909 (>99%)
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>>>>>>>>>>>>FURNANDIZ Walter Hull 9d 523
>>>>>>>>>>>>>KILVINGTON Isabella Hull 9d 523
THYSSEN Albert Hull 9d 523
WOOLNOUGH Lily Hull 9d 523



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1881 England Census
about Gertrude Fernandez
Name: Gertrude Fernandez
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Joseph
Mother's Name: Elizth.
Gender: Female
Where born: Hull, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Kingston-Upon-Hull
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address: 4 Victoria Terrce
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Hull
Sub-registration district: Myton
ED, institution, or vessel: 82
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Fernandez 30 Born Nottinghamshire, England, occupation; Painter
Elizth. Fernandez 30
Edith Fernandez 3
Gertrude Fernandez
Mary Pattinson 60 Mother in Law


I beleive that Gertrude is Walters sister??


Dee x