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Hi Anne,

Louisa didn't marry Thomas until 1863:

Marriages Dec 1863
Fry Thomas Plympton 5b 407
WEBBER Louisa Plympton 5b 407

The son was registered under both names:

Births Jun 1858
Weber Thomas Henry Fry Plympton 5b 221
Fry Thomas Henry Fry Plympton 5b 221

Rose

Frederick isn't showing on Ancestry for the 1871 census.

Rose

Hi Rose
This is a surprise, I did not realise that it was possible to register a baby twice and as the numbers are the same I assume they were entered at the same time. Were two birth certs issued? seems very strange.
Anne

Thank you Rose for all your help.

You have proved what I suspected, that he was illegitimateand I agree with what you have said that Louisa and Frederick Parr have to be his parents as there is no one else and the dates sort of match. Why did he use a completely birth date when joining up? this is still very odd!

How I prove that Louisa was my great grandfather's mother, I assume it is imposable,.
Thanks again for your help

Anne

I have just noticed that you said that Frederick was not showing on the Ancestary 1871 census. I found him on "Find my Past"
Anne

I can see him listed on this site too. What's the piece, folio and page number? Ancestry must be missing some pages.

The only thing I can think of is he would have been 21 when he joined the marines. Perhaps there was some age restriction and it's possible he knew what year he was born but not his actual birthdate.

Rose

Hi Rose

I found Frederick was living with Samuel Birch and his wife and son on the 1971 census on Find my Past

RG Number - RG10
Piece - 2108
Folio - 84
Page - 9
Reg district - Plympton St mary
Address - Saltram Point, Plympton St Mary

I have been in touch with the Royal Marine Museum and archive but they say it could take up to three months to reply but if they can't find an answer they will not reply.!!!!!! I Might have to go down to the Portsmouth archive to see if I can find out for myself.

Anne