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hi
could some one help me? i have found a edwin staffonds in the 1881 census age 18 at the time his occupation was a cotton spinner, in the census i found he is down as son to the head of house (joseph greenwood) 44,
also in the house is
mary ann greenwood wife 44
william thomas greenwood 16
susan greenwood 13
leah greenwood 8
mary jane greenwood 5

i would like to find out when he was born and why his name is different from the rest of the family the only information i have on edwin is the 1881 census and also on william thomas greenwoods marriage cert in 1896 he is down as a witness any help would be very much appreciated
kind regards
melody.x

for ref ..1881

Registration District:
Rochdale Sub District:
Whitworth EnumerationDistrict:
Ecclesiastical Parish:

Civil Parish:
Spotland Municipal Borough:
Address:
7, Hemp Street, Spotland County:
Lancashire
GREENWOOD, Joseph Head Married M 44 1837 Cotton Spinner
Todmorden
Yorkshire
GREENWOOD, Mary Ann Wife Married F 44 1837
Bakewell
Derbyshire
STAFFONDS, Edwin Son Single M 18 1863 Spinner
Bacup
Lancashire
GREENWOOD, William Thomas Son Single M 16 1865 Spinner
Bacup
Lancashire
GREENWOOD, Susan Daughter Single F 13 1868 Weaver Cotton
Bacup
Lancashire
GREENWOOD, Leah Daughter Single F 8 1873 Scholar
Stacksteads
Lancashire
GREENWOOD, Mary Jane Daughter Single F 5 1876 Scholar
Stacksteads
Lancashire

Could it be Stafford? and not Staffond?...If so it looks like he may have been Maryann son before her marriage to Joseph..

Marriages Sep 1864 (>99%)
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Collinge John Haslingden 8e 122
Greenwood Joseph Haslingden 8e 122
Stafford Mary Haslingden 8e 122


Nicky

Maybe his mother was married before and he is her son from first marraige????
Lily

This looks like his birth reg...if you get the cert. it will confirm wether he was illigitimate or from an earlier marriage and any maiden name if so.

Births Jun 1863 (>99%)
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STAFFORD Edwin Haslingden 8e 93


Nicky

Down as Edward Greenwood in 1871..

Address:
Green's Nook, Newchurch, Bacup

GREENWOOD, Joseph Head M 31 1840 Lancashire
GREENWOOD, Mary Wife F 26 1845 Cheshire
GREENWOOD, Edward Son M 8 1863 Lancashire
GREENWOOD, William Son M 5 1866 Lancashire
GREENWOOD, Susan Daughter F 4 1867 Lancashire

Sure looks as though he was Marys son before marriage with all the records pointing at it..

thanks i have the mother down as mary ann boothman and i think they got married in 1860 in todmorden,

for more info see thread

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1200657&px=1

Edwin is down as Staffond on the 1881 and (though fairly difficult to read) I am fairly sure it is Staffond as a witness on Will & Mary Ann's marriage church record entry in 1896 - the ffon is the readable bit!

did you prove that the Mary Joseph married was Mary Boothman as there is also this marriage which would fit

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1864
GREENWOOD Joseph
STAFFORD Mary
Bacup, St John

again perhaps misheard / miswritten from Staffond - place fits with bitrth of 1st greenwood child

hi Ann
no i didnt prove that joseph married mary boothman what do you think would be the best way to find out? i was thinking may if i order my grt grandads birth cert (william thomas greenwood 1865) would it have his mothers maiden name on it?
kind regards
melody.x

it would have his mother's maiden name.

it is probably worth putting a checking point of father's name. There are 2 registrations but as the census says born Bacup it is probably the Haslinden one. Also the Burnley one would only have been 15 yrs old on the 1881 whereas the haslingen one was born before the census date and would have been 16 as stated.

Births Mar 1865 (>99%)
GREENWOOD William Thomas Haslingden 8e 102
Births Sep 1865 (>99%)
GREENWOOD William Thomas Burnley 8e 164

ok thanks i will order the cert tomorro
kind regard
melody.x

hi Ann
i have ordered that cert, i have also found Ewin in the 1901 census
down as Edwin Staffon age 38 with wife mary age 34
children
Edwin 6
leah 3

presumably this his his marriage

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1889
STAFFON Edwin
COWGILL Mary Ann
Facit, St John

Facit seems to be a village near Whitworth but can't find any mention in the lancs RO catalogue.

hi ann and fanny
i recieved the birth cert for william thomas greenwood toady 1865
and found his father was joseph and mother was mary ann stafford
so the marriage you found is the correct one.
kind regards
mel.x

great when something comes out good

hi ann and fanny was wondering if you could help me find mary staffonds/ stafford parents i have her down as being born in bakewell derbyshire on the 1881 census i belive she was born around 1836 give or take 2 years i have tried fbmd but cant find anything, any help would be much appreciated
kind regards
mel.xx

You will not find births before sept 1837 on Freebmd as civil registration did not start until then.

You need to get her marriage cert to get her fathers name and occupation to be able to find her on earlier census.

There are too many to choose from.
And she changes her birth year on most census,but her favourite place of birth is Bakewell Drebyshire.


Marriages Sep 1864
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Greenwood Joseph Haslingden 8e 122
Stafford Mary Haslingden 8e 122

hi fanny and ann
i recieved the marriage cert today for joseph greenwood and mary stafford
married in 1864 once again there ages change joseph down as 24 and mary down as 22 at time of marriage, i cant make out josephs occupation on the cert, his father is down a isaac greenwood could you help me find any other children for isaac and his wife please.
kind regards
melody.x