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Basic information I know to be correct,
My Grandfather was Frederick McArthur born 1886 in Marlebone London he had a brother George born 1883 Brighton,
Frederick married Mary Henderson 1910 Edinburgh, on the 1901 census they are with Frederick's parents at Station Hotel Cupar.
Great Grandfather
George William McArthur not sure birth 1854-1859 probably Newington London as 1891 census states he married Eliza Andrews 1882 Marlebone London Crawford St,occupation Lithographic Printer? on all other certificates is Waiter,
No known death for G W McArthur but his wife remarried in Edinburgh and on that cert she was a widow date 1914 he was at both sons marriages 1910 Edinburgh and 1912 Perth for George.

I asked a famous Geneaoligist who was on Who Do You Think You Are to find my Great Grandfather George William McArthur he got back to me with his findings I paid and for 2 years I expanded my family tree made friends and relatives. Then about a month ago I came across another family tree where my great grandfather had a death when he was I think about 27, I checked this information and it was correct the information I had been given 2 years before was wrong.
I got back to the professional who said he would check and get back to me, he got back next day and said he would look at George William McArthur again. He got back 2 weeks later with a report mostly of all the information I gave him, all I wanted was the correct birth of my GGrandfather and his parents so I could carry on.
George William McArthur married Eliza Andrews 1882 Marlebone London, George was born 1856 Glasgow, Death unknown, children Frederick 1886 Brighton, George 1883 London. Now all I wanted was the birth and mother and father, the father on birth cert is John McArthur mother Mary Maitland he says it ties in with wedding cert but on wedding cert father George William McArthur with no mother mentioned.
I got back to him but he said if I wanted any more research done I would have to pay. what do I do now?

Banns from ancestry


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: George William McArthur
Spouse Name: Eliza Andrews
Record Type: Banns
Event Date: 17 Sep 1882
Parish: St Mary, Newington
County: Middlesex
Borough: Southwark



from image:-

Banns called 3rd, 10th and 17th September 1882



London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Eliza Andrews
Spouse Name: George William Mc Arthur
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 Sep 1882
Parish: St Mary, Newington
County: Middlesex
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: William Andrews
Spouse Father Name: George William Mc Arthur


from image:

George Williaqm
Of Full Age
Bachelor
Occupation:- Waiter
Address:- 19 Suffiled Road

Father's Occupation:- Lithographic Printer



Eliza
Of Full Age
Spinster
No occupation gven
Address:- 23 Delverton Place

Father's occupation:- Tailor


Witnesses:- William Andrews and Charlotte Anne Salter



I know you ahve this, but it helps us to have the information down in front of us




sylvia

The mother is almost never mentioned on an English marriage certificate .... unless she acts as one of the witnesses.



and if he was indeed born in Scotland, then you need access to Scotland People




sylvia

For ref:

Birth:
George McArthur
10th August 1856
Central District, Glasgow, Lanarkshire

Father: John McArthur
Mother: Mary Maitland

1891 England Census
Name: George Wm Mc Arthur
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Eliza
Gender: Male
Where born: Newington, Surrey, England

Civil parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: Rectory
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
George Wm Mc Arthur 32
Eliza Mc Arthur 35
George W Mc Arthur 7 (born Brighton)
Frederick Mc Arthur 5 (born Marylebone)




Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 95; Folio 116; Page 17; GSU roll: 6095205.

Births Dec 1858 (>99%)
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McArthur George William Newington 1d 177

Births Dec 1883 (>99%)
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McARTHUR George William Brighton 2b 236



Births Mar 1886 (>99%)
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MCARTHUR Frederick Marylebone 1a 576

1871 Ancestry
Name: George Arthur
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Relation: Son
Father's Name: George M
Mother's Name: Mary Anne
Gender: Male
Where born: Lambeth, Surrey, England
Civil parish: Islington
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Islington East
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Household schedule number: 219
Household Members:
Name Age
George M Arthur 44 Occ:Litho Printer born Edinburgh
Mary Anne Arthur 47
Annie Arthur 14
George Arthur 12
Jenny Henes 22
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 288; Folio: 50; Page: 35

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1881 Ancestry
Name: George W. Mc Arthur
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Mary A.M.
Gender: Male
Where born: Dover Road
Civil parish: St Martin in The Fields
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 23 Crown Court

Occupation: Waiter
Registration district: Strand
Sub-registration district: St Martin In The Fields
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary A.M. Mc Arthur 48
George W. Mc Arthur 22
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 329; Folio: 90; Page: 36

Maureen

1861 England Census
Name: George McArthur
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Relation: Son
Father's Name: George
Gender: Male
Where born: London, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Newington
Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Newington
Sub-registration district: Trinity Newington
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 231
Household Members: Name Age
George McArthur 35 born Edinburgh - occupation - Printer
Mary A McArthur 27 born Cumberland
Ann McArthur 4 born Surrey
George McArthur 2 born Newington
Joseph Packer 22
Mary Parker 19




Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 335; Folio: 66; Page: 40; GSU roll: 542617

Thanks to everyone I will be answer people individually

Thanks Sylvia,
I did not want to make this post any longer and yes I do have this information and thankyou for looking into it for me.

Baptism of George's sister Annie -


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Annie Millis McArthur
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 16 Aug 1857
Father's Name: George McArthur - occupation Lithographic Printer
Mother's Name: Mary Ann McArthur
Parish: St Luke, Bermondsey
Borough: Southwark
County: Middlesex



Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, Saint Paul, Bermondsey, Register of baptisms, P71/PAU, Item 003

The thing is Sylvia where is Brian Thompson getting Mary Maitland from as the tie between marriage cert and George Mcathur 1856 birth cert.

Thanks Choccy

Hi Helen,
look at the witness and she could not even write

Brian

In your first post you state that George was born 1856, Glasgow......where did you get this info from as everything is pointing to him being born in 1858/9 Newington?

Mary

Hi Contrary Mary,
The information was given by Brian Thompson Genealogist

This is Annie McArthur's birth registration (sister of George William).


Births Sep 1856 (99%)
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McArthur Anne Miller Newington 1d 161



Perhaps her mother was Mary Ann Miller ?

maybe -


1841 England Census
Name: Mary Miller
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1834
Gender: Female
Where born: Cumberland, England

Civil parish: Bowness
Hundred: Cumberland
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Wigton
Sub-registration district: Wigton
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Nancy Miller 65
Mary Miller 7




Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 164; Book: 7; Civil Parish: Bowness; County: Cumberland; Enumeration District: 24; Folio: 4; Page: 3; Line: 15; GSU roll: 241280.



Mary McArthur on 1861 census was born Bowness, Cumberland

Hi all,
Thanks to everyone tonight but the mystery continues but Newington and not Glasgow looks good for G W McArthur's birth