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The Naish's in 1881


1881 Census

Name: James R. Naish
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Annie M.
Gender: Male
Where born: Croydon, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Bethnal Green
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 7 Cambridge Circus
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Boot Trade

Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Hackney Road

James R. Naish 29
Annie M. Naish 24 b.ca 1857, Borough, Surrey
James R. Naish 5
George W. Naish 4
Amelia M. Naish 3
Minnie F. Naish 1



In 1901, Anne Naish says she was born Dover Road, London



sylvia

from ancestry



London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Annie Miller McArthur
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1855
Spouse Name: James Richard Naish
Spouse Age: 23
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 9 Mar 1875
Parish: Emmanuel, Camberwell
County: Middlesex
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: George McArthur
Spouse Father Name: William Naish




from image:-

Annie

age:- 20
Spinster
No occupation given
Address:- Emmanuel <<<<<<<< htis is on each of the 4 certificates on the 2 pages, and it is the name of the church!

Father occupation:- Lith'o Printer


James
age: 23
Bachelor
Occupation:- Lastic ?????? (almost indecipherable)
Address:- Emmanuel

Father occupation:- Leather Cutter


Witnesses:- William Naish and Eliza Naish



I was hoping George William would be a witness!!!!!!!!




sylvia

Oh yes!


Marriages Mar 1875 (>99%)

McARTHUR Annie Miller Camberwell 1d 783
Naish James Richard Camberwell 1d 783



sylvia

On that 1901 Scotland Census that has george Wiiliam as Hotel Proprietor ...... there is a George Naish

George Naish is said to be born ca 1878, England and NEPHEW


Have you followed that little clue?



sylvia

Choccy found that 1891 Census, and here is the information from the image ...... ti fits in with the 1881 Census


Name Age
George Wm Mc Arthur 32 Waiter (Inn added by the side of it)
Eliza Mc Arthur 35 b. Marylebone, London
George W Mc Arthur 7 b. Brighton, Sussex, Scholar
Frederick Mc Arthur 5 b. Marylebone, London, Scholar

Address:- 127 Crawford Street (looks like a tenement or a place divided into a number of separate lodgings)



sylvia

so


who is your ancestor ............ Frederick or George?


Do you have one or both of those birth certificates?

What does it say on there?


Equally important, do you have the marriage certificate for the person who is your direct ancestor, to see what name and occupation is given for his father?



I'm thinking that we have to go back to square one and start all over again ...... because it really does seem to me that there are TWO people involved here, and that they have got intermingled.


In other words, we're going to have to re-trace that paid work that you had done.

Only this time it won't cost you a cent!!

We have to work backwards, to make sure that we are staying within the one family.

What we need from you is:-

your parent's names, date of marriage, occupations

what you have found out about your grandparents ....... names, occupations, birth etc




sylvia

Hi Sylvia, My apoligies to everyone but any information on G W McArthur was supplied by Brian Thompson, I foung marriage cert, Frederick birth cert, George birth cert but Brian's report gave me info on G W Mc

1851 England Census
Name: Mary A Miller
Age: 16
Estimated birth year: abt 1835
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Bowness, Cumberland, England

Civil parish: Scotch Street
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Carlisle
Sub-registration district: St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 1b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 18
Household Members: Name Age
Henry L Mc Harteheon 32
Jane Mc Harteheon 39
Joshua L Mc Harteheon 6
James L Mc Harteheon 4
Henry L Mc Harteheon 3
Hannah Little 36
Archibold Saunders 18
Mary A Miller 16




Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2430; Folio: 42; Page: 6; GSU roll: 87110.

Brian

you don't have to reply to everyone individually!


I said that I knew that YOU had that information from the marriage and banns ....... but WE don't.

That is why I posted it ............ and to save other people looking it up to see what little nuggets of information we could mine from it



I did look at your tree on ancestry, and note that there is a very interesting array of occupations that you have for George.


From lithograpic printer to mason to waiter to hotel proprietor!

There's something there that doesn't make sense.

The lithographic printer would ahve requiered an appentice ship, and so would the mason. Most apprenticeships were 5-7 years in length.


I wonder if in fact there are TWO George William McArthur's, and you have maanged to get the two intermingled.



I presume that you have

a) the children's birth certificates to prove the names of mother and father?

b) and you have the marriage certificate that proves those two married each other.



Maybe we need to look for that other G W M'




I have to go out now, but I'll check back later



sylvia

Hi all,
Thanks to everyone tonight but the mystery continues but Newington and not Glasgow looks good for G W McArthur's birth

maybe -


1841 England Census
Name: Mary Miller
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1834
Gender: Female
Where born: Cumberland, England

Civil parish: Bowness
Hundred: Cumberland
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Wigton
Sub-registration district: Wigton
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Nancy Miller 65
Mary Miller 7




Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 164; Book: 7; Civil Parish: Bowness; County: Cumberland; Enumeration District: 24; Folio: 4; Page: 3; Line: 15; GSU roll: 241280.



Mary McArthur on 1861 census was born Bowness, Cumberland

This is Annie McArthur's birth registration (sister of George William).


Births Sep 1856 (99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

McArthur Anne Miller Newington 1d 161



Perhaps her mother was Mary Ann Miller ?

Hi Contrary Mary,
The information was given by Brian Thompson Genealogist

Brian

In your first post you state that George was born 1856, Glasgow......where did you get this info from as everything is pointing to him being born in 1858/9 Newington?

Mary

Hi Helen,
look at the witness and she could not even write

Thanks Choccy

The thing is Sylvia where is Brian Thompson getting Mary Maitland from as the tie between marriage cert and George Mcathur 1856 birth cert.

Baptism of George's sister Annie -


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Annie Millis McArthur
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 16 Aug 1857
Father's Name: George McArthur - occupation Lithographic Printer
Mother's Name: Mary Ann McArthur
Parish: St Luke, Bermondsey
Borough: Southwark
County: Middlesex



Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, Saint Paul, Bermondsey, Register of baptisms, P71/PAU, Item 003

Thanks Sylvia,
I did not want to make this post any longer and yes I do have this information and thankyou for looking into it for me.

Thanks to everyone I will be answer people individually