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Hi i wonder if anyone has a few minutes if they could help me. I have a Frederick Carter 1881 in Stenning, Surrey. He was married to a lady called Mary Ann. I dont have her surname. I have found on the 1901 Census some possibilities that would be a long shot and one that is likely to be him but i cant be sure so would like another opionion.

1901 Census.
8 Oak Grove Road,
Penge Kent
Surrey.

Name Relation Age Occupation Place of birth
Charles Carter Head 68 Bricklayer Boxford, Berks
Harriet Carter Wife 73 Winchester, Hants
Harriet E Carter Daugher 40 Dressmaker Walworth
Frederick G Carter G Son 19 Fitter Anerley, Surrey

If anyone could help that would be good.

Thanks
Louise

Louise, not quite sure what you're after here. How do you know he married a Mary Ann?
Jan

Louise,

The only way to verify anything is with the appropriate certificates.

If you know your Frederick Carter married a Mary Ann then you need to find one of their childrens' birth certs.

Rose

Hi
I found them on the 1911 Census with my great grandmother Gentina Carter. That is the line im going up.
What im after is whether or not this is the most likely person as im so far from Parish records and not in a position to buy certificates so dont want to make mistakes.
If that makes sense.
Thanks
Lou

Do you know his relationship to Gentina?
EDIT not sure that is the correct spelling!

This appears to be them

PATTENDEN, George William Head Married M 32 1879 Hairdresser Bloomsberry London VIEW
PATTENDEN, Elizabeth Wife Married
10 years F 40 1871 Hammersmith London VIEW
CARTER, Mary Ann Wife Married
10 years F 33 1878 High Broom Tun Wells Kent VIEW
CARTER, Gentie Daughter F 8 1903 Heathfield Sussex VIEW
CARTER, Frederick Head Married M 30 1881 General Dealer Stenning Surrey VIEW
CARTER, Frederick Son M 6 1905 Pembury Kent VIEW
PATTENDEN, May Daughter F 1 1910 N Kensington London VIEW
PATTENDEN, George Joseph Son M 5 1906 N Kensington London VIEW
PATTENDEN, Bertie Son M 3 1908 N Kensington

Registration District:
Tonbridge Sub District:
Tunbridge Wells EnumerationDistrict:
13 Parish:
Tunbridge Wells

Address:
30 North St Tunbridge Wells County:
Kent

PATTENDEN, George William Head Married M 32 1879 Hairdresser Bloomsberry London VIEW
PATTENDEN, Elizabeth Wife Married
10 years F 40 1871 Hammersmith London VIEW
CARTER, Mary Ann Wife Married
10 years F 33 1878 High Broom Tun Wells Kent VIEW
CARTER, Gentie Daughter F 8 1903 Heathfield Sussex VIEW
CARTER, Frederick Head Married M 30 1881 General Dealer Stenning Surrey VIEW
CARTER, Frederick Son M 6 1905 Pembury Kent VIEW
PATTENDEN, May Daughter F 1 1910 N Kensington London VIEW
PATTENDEN, George Joseph Son M 5 1906 N Kensington London VIEW
PATTENDEN, Bertie Son M 3 1908 N Kensington London VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
4052 Reference:
RG14PN4052 RG78PN156 RD50 SD1 ED13 SN173

Registration District:
Tonbridge Sub District:
Tunbridge Wells EnumerationDistrict:
13 Parish:
Tunbridge Wells

Address:
30 North St Tunbridge Wells County:
Kent

Could this be their marriage:-

Name: Frederick Carter
Year of Registration: 1901
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Tonbridge
County: Kent, Sussex
Volume: 2a
Page: 1517

Also on the page is a Mary Ann Swan.

The marriage certificate would give his father's name and occupation.

Kath. x

This looks like the birth reg. for Gentina....if you purchase this it will confirm parents names including mothers maiden name...

Births Dec 1902 (>99%)
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Carter Gentina Hailsham 2b 90



Nicky

guessing
Marriages Sep 1901 (>99%)

CARTER Frederick Tunbridge 2a 1517
Swan Mary Ann Tunbridge 2a 1517

OK the spelling was right!! I know it gets expensive but there are times when a cert becomes necessary and this might be one of them:

Births Dec 1902 (>99%)
Carter Gentina Hailsham 2b 90

In answer to your original question....... yes there is a chance that this may be the correct Frederick G Carter but....... by the same note it may not be, there could have been more than one Frederick G. Carter born Surrey c1881

Is Stenning near to Annerley?

Family history is a very expensive hobby, but you really need to buy certificates, especially on yout direct line to insure that you are tracing the correct people, either the marriage cert. for Frederick or Gentinas birth cert. will help you trace back correctly.


Nicky

If I was you I would buy Gentina's birth certificate first to establish her mother's maiden name. If it turns out to be Swan then you can be pretty certain that we have given you the right marriage in Tonbridge. Then you have to decide whether or not to buy the marriage certificate as this is the only way to be certain of Frederick's father's name so you can be sure you have the right family in the 1901 census.

Kath. x

births
Mary A Carter 1912 mar qt Tonbridge .mother Swan gro ref 2a 1592

I cant find a place called Stenning. There is Anerley Gt London.Has anyone checked the census images

I'm not aware of a Stenning in Surrey. There's one in Sussex.

Rose

Looking at the 1901 and 1911 census entries again, i`m not sure you have the same person on both..

1901 Census he is Frederick G Carter...
1901 Marriage Frederick Carter
1911 Census Frederick Carter

Think the 1911 Frederick is probably the one who marries in Tonbridge in1901, as the 10 years of marriage and the names of possible brides match up.

An example of why you need to buy the certs.!!




Nicky

Yes Rose I agree ...I don`t know of a Stenning in Surrey, but there is Steyning in Sussex.


Nicky

There's this one:

1901 England Census
about Fred Carter
Name: Fred Carter
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Marian
Gender: Male
Where born: Steyning, Sussex, England
Civil parish: Hailsham St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: Hailsham St Mary
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England
Registration district: Hailsham
Sub-registration district: Hellingly
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 193
Household Members: Name Age
John Carter 53
Marian Carter 47
Fred Carter 22
John Carter 20
Olive Carter 18
Maria Carter 16

Address: Van at Harebeating
Rose

Thanks so much for all of your replies. Think the best thing to do is wait until i have moved house and order some certificates. I have spent 3 years finding Gentina and her marriage etc as her name is spelt differently on all registrations incl 1911, birth, marriage and death. I am sure another few months wont make too much difference. lol. It was a long shot so thanks for all your help guys Nobody ever said family history was a quick proccess lol.
Thanks again
Louise

Lou...Heres the family you put up for 1901 at the beginning of your thread, this is them in 1891..........just plain Frederick Carter...Penge and Anerley are the in the same area...


CARTER, Charles Head Married M 58 1833 Bricklayer
Boxford
Berkshire VIEW
CARTER, Harriott Wife Married F 65 1826
Winchester
Hampshire VIEW
CARTER, Charles Son Single M 23 1868 Bricklayer
Penge
Surrey VIEW
CARTER, Agnes Daughter Single F 20 1871 Dressmaker
Penge
Surrey VIEW
CARTER, Harry Son Single M 18 1873 Carman
Penge
Surrey VIEW
CARTER, Frederick Grandson M 9 1882
Penge
Surrey VIEW

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RG number:
RG12 Piece:
599 Folio:
34 Page:
61

Registration District:
Croydon Sub District:
Croydon EnumerationDistrict:
70 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Holy Trinity


Nicky