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MM,

As it goes looking at the image it states Buxton Road, shall look further to see where Disley road comes from.

.....ok looking at it further, in this instance i think the occupant it the issue here.

On the address coversheet he has listed the address as Disley Road, Newtown but on the actual census he's listed it as Buxton Road. I wonder if he's used a local coloquial term for the road??

I know we have several road round here that are called something else locally becauise of the town they go towards or the village, when in actual fact that's not the actual road name at all.

It is worth noting he's the only person listing Disley Road from 1881 to 1911.

Tracey x

Me again.......the hayfield Census has the family of William and Ann Turner.(and a couple of other Turner families..but not with a John aged 5)

They have four children Martha 1831/William 1834/JOHN 1836/and Thomas 1838......William is a butcher and they live at Household 38!! whatever that means....

Since New Mills/ Hayfield and Glossop are so close.I offer you a Marriage possibility.....William Turner (of Hayfield) married Ann Waterhouse 30.08.1829

Derek.

I still think it was probably the road to Disley. ;)

Where I am, there is a long street that goes from one end of town to the other, and out of town on both ends.

At one end, on the outskirts, it's called, say, Windsor Road. It's the road that goes to Windsor.

At the other end it's called, say, Toronto Road. It's the road that goes to Toronto.

In between, it's called two other things, proper street names, as it passes through town.

Disley Road could have been what the road in question was referred to as once it got to the outskirts of town?

I'm really impressed with all the buzz going on & a big thank you. A strong marriage possibility of William Turner & Ann Waterhouse. I feel this is accurate, & SOOO exciting. It is an ANZAC Day holiday here this weekend & I'll be looking into all the contributions asap.

Hi! Wayne Tracy, also Derek, thanks for joining in. . How thorough you all have been with the Disley road research, I'm thrilled as I'd never have got this far without your help.
The 1891 census re. Martha Turner is spot -on, Mad meg. That's my Great Grandmother...

Folks, I'm currently on holiday, tapping in occasionally. Derek tells me there is a Disley Road on the 1891. However, Tracey has said Disley Road is Newtown, and Newtown is definitely at the north end of New Mills, about 4 miles from Hayfield, and is a little "hamlet" comprising Buxton Road which goes from New Mills (a) to Whaley Bridge or (b) to Disley. There could well have been a bit called Disley Road - I don't imagine there was a Buxton Road in Hayfield either, the three roads out are likely to be Glossop Road, Chapel Road and New Mills Road.

I will look a bit more into this Disley Road - it is likely the enumerator "made it up" but I am quite sure it was not in the village of Hayfield. However, I've noticed a number of addressed at Newtown, New Mills (Buxton Road - which I guess could have been thought of as Disley Road) but appear on the Hayfield census district. That said, I also recall that Hayfield Workhouse was physically in New Mills - so there is summat odd about New Mills back then, maybe classed as hayfield.

More research needed, I will do it.

Mad meg on holiday.

MM

The 1911 that had Disley Road mentioned, was only mentioned by the homeowner himself on the front of the census paper.... the actual address was correct on the inside of the census form.

This does lead me to believe is was a coloquialism rather than an actual road name.



T x

Good morning all.......why are we all so keen to prove that Disley Road didn't exist.or is a colloquialism????? I have see the local Hayfield Census for 1891.and there are two properties on Disley Road before we get to The Grouse Inn, who's official address was "Disley Road Phoside Hayfield"..then there are the Gormans. Halls.Jepsons Thorns Stephens and catlins all on Disley Road..then it changes to Disley Road Birch Vale with a dozen or so families.then it becomes Birch Vie, Disley Road, Birch Vale........

I looked at the original Census Documents on Ancestry for 1891 looking at the names of the families above, as a sdample, and there they all are neatlry and precisely laid out..In Disley Road.
1891 was a very different Census to say 1841,when records were often hearsay..and names of streets were not mentioned.

By 1891things were different


Having said all that Disley Road appears to have been taken over by its constituent parts by 1901

Derek

It was ME who wanted to know where Disley Road, Hayfield was, I was going to offer Pauline some photos of the road/houses. Derek, the 1891 census mentions the Grouse Inn. There are two Grouse Inns but one is in Glossop (on the Hayfield side), the other in Birch Vale. I can only assume, therefore, that the road out of Hayfield towards Birch Vale was then called Disley Road. There were very few houses on that stretch back then - a small row of terraced cottages, two pubs and three or four larger houses.

However, I was thrown with Disley Road being at Newtown, which is definitely New Mills, not Hayfield.

Let it be, unless Pauline would like me to investigate further.

Pauline - I'd like to give credit here to Madmeg for the searches she did for me in Hayfield -she picked up a request of mine to Derek, but his records didn't go back to 1450 which was the date I had! but she actually got in touch with the vicar for me and searched a medieval graveyard for my Dendys - no luck and they all moved on elsewhere in the next generations but I was glad to have such handson search!

Thanks to you all for putting some 'flesh on the bones' in this research, so to speak. [ I know it's a terrible pun...]
Have family around tomorrow, Labour day holiday here, but will have a good think through all your contributions on Tuesday; MM; Derek, Wayne/ Tracey, Elizabeth, Janey et al & get back to you shortly. You make this probing into the past such fun!

Oh Crikey, I remeber the Dendys, Elizabeth, no, the vicar had no records. And it is such a tiny graveyard.

EDIT - I walked round it. No Dendys.

Have no problem with Spring Villa, Disley Road being in Birch Vale/ Hayfield, all I know that's where the Turner home was & I'm sure the house still stands?? But thanks for all the thoughts, guess Disley road becomes a 'passing wonder' by 1901, Derek, & had morphed into ......??!!

MM If you have a photo of Spring Villa,that would be so interesting...... if its still there!!

Wish I was more skilled, today don't seem to turn anything up. Grandfather Fritz Turner married Eva Ardern in June 1910 in Hayfield Church where I guess many, many family events had already taken place, including Martha's burial [nee Hall] , Fritz's Mother in Feb 1910.Eva lived at Trentham villa Birch Vale before her wedding.Who was her Mother?

Forgot to add, Eva [born 1886] & her sister Jane were probably born in Maloney [ Normandy?] north France & the first time Eva turns up is in the 1911 census. Don't have the birth details, hmm!
I'm happy with my Great Grandfather John Turner [ Spring Villas] parents being William & Ann.
Derek, are you able to give some more details re. the Turners in Hayfield in that 1841 census you mentioned, how interesting! I wouldn't know we had a butcher upline. Guess the family roots were at Spring Villa, wonder when the house was built?

Do you have a Wright Turner amongst your relatives? Mentioned here:

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~dusk/1912_kelly_hayfield.html

Spring Villas is also mentioned (Birch Vale) and the postmaster Arthur Howard Lowe was likely a relative of Arthur Lowe of Dad's Army fame.

Interestingly (to me) the parishes comprised Hayfield, Mellor and Newtown.

Pauline, I can't for the life of me find Spring Villas. I know they exist. Do you have a location? I've asked my friendly local estate agent, but no joy yet.

Thanks for trying, MM. It was so interesting reading the 1912 directory for Hayfield,etc. Spring Villas is listed under Hayfield, I noticed.[Disley Road!] Otherwise I don't know.. Unsure about Wright Turner, although he could be in the tree somewhere. However, just before his name in this directory there are refs. to windows in the Hayfield Parish Church commemorating Elijah & Levi Hall & a Mrs Hall. of Moorlands [died 1879]. She was Elijah's wife, & they were Great Grandparents of my Father, Leonard Turner. Didn't know any of this; it is sooo significant!! Think Levi was a cousin of Elijah. I have some info on the Halls stretching back in the area to 1600, but as you realise I'm trying to search out the Turner line.

- interesting snippet about the Dad's Army Aurthur Lowe!!

Dad's Army Arthur Lowe is Hayfield's main claim to fame. The local cricket club named their club house after him (he bought the ground for them!).
He was well known in the village when I used to work for the bank there - originally County Bank, then District Bank (when I commenced in 1968) and then Nat West. Now a doctors' surgery. The Lowes all banked there. Pat Phoenix - Elsie Tanner of Coronation Street - lived there at some point and "went out" with my widowed uncle for a while.

Somebody else on here has been investigating Wright Turner recently. I am hopeless at finding such threads. I put him into Search Trees and somebody called Clive has him born 1810. Might be worth contacting him.

I am desperate to find Spring Villas. I have it in my mind that they are a pair of VERY BIG semis, raised up, cellar, attics etc. I just can't find them and my estate agent friend has not come back to me.

Have emailed a Hayfield councillor to see if he can help. Maybe I have a bee in my bonnet but it is annoying me that I don't know my own area.

There was a Graham Hadfield and his wife Jill who had a brilliant site called Jigrah with loads of stuff about Derbyshire. I know he sold it out to someone - I was hoping DEREK (are you there?) would know who, cos I bet it would have lots of stuff for you.

Best wishes

Margaret

Margaret

Sorry, Margaret, if this is somewhat shorter than what I've just written & lost when I pressed 'preview'.. Oh, well!! You are trying so hard for me, thanks a million. Dad & Aunty visited Spring Villas as children, spoke of the maid appearing with a bell to call them in at a mealtime.Posh stuff!

Do you think the name, S. Villas has changed?
Shall be away tomorrow & not able to get on a computer for a few days, but will be in touch asap. Best wishes in the hunt, but don't worry if you don't turn anything up!

A local councillor has told me that Hayfield and Disley were connected in the 1800s, and the Hayfield Workhouse, which I know was at New Mills took people from Disley. His only recollection is of Springfield Terrace, but he has passed my query to a Turner person who was born and bred in Hayfield.

There seems to have been a lot of overlap between the three areas back then. Disley and Hayfield were apparently connected through the Rivers Goyt and Sett, and bridges were built with joint public money. Though as the Goyt ran through Whaley Bridge, and the Sett through Hayfield, Birch Vale, and New Mills (where they joined), I cannot see where Disley got involved at all. The Goyt continues to Stockport where it joins the Mersey.

I wonder if the canal came into this equation. No canal in Hayfield, but from Newtown to Disley still exists.

Maybe I am on a personal trail here. Ignore me!