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Linda
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1 May 2010 03:18 |
I am stuck with this one, hope someone can help.....William Gardiner born c1821 (first child born in Blackford, Perth, Scotland) married to Isabella McPherson 26/11/1837 in Crieff, Perth, Scotland - Isabella born c1816. I have found Isabella's death certificate giving me her parents names however i am unable to find any more information on William Gardiner - Thier marriage certificate does not show parents names. Doing a search on Scotlands people show 3 birth certs that may be his unfortunaltely the immages are not available - but still how do i know which one would be his?????? Where else can i look for further information???
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Kath
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1 May 2010 07:18 |
Hi Linda, So this is the marriage of William.
WILLIAM GARDNER Pedigree Male Family
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Christening: Death: Burial:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages: Spouse: ISOBEL MCPHERSON Family Marriage: 09 DEC 1837 Fowlis Wester, Perth, Scotland
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Messages: Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
AND POSSIBLY THE BANNS
WILLIAM GARDINER Pedigree Male Family
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Christening: Death: Burial:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages: Spouse: ISABEL MCPHERSON Family Marriage: 26 NOV 1837 Crieff, Perth, Scotland
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Messages: Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date. It looks like one or the other of them came from Fowlis Wester.
On the marriage cert, does it give William or Isabella's residence at time of their marriage?
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1 May 2010 07:22 |
This is their children:
76. JANET GARDNER - International Genealogical Index / BI Gender: Female Birth: 22 NOV 1840 Blackford, Perth, Scotland 77. PETER GARDNER - International Genealogical Index / BI Gender: Male Birth: 06 JAN 1837 Blackford, Perth, Scotland 78. ISABEL GARDINER - International Genealogical Index / BI Gender: Female Christening: 08 DEC 1844 Blackford, Perth, Scotland 79. ANN GARDINER - International Genealogical Index / BI Gender: Female Christening: 27 NOV 1842 Blackford, Perth, Scotland 80. WILLIAM GARDNER - International Genealogical Index / BI Gender: Male Birth: 09 NOV 1846 Blackford, Perth, Scotland If they used the Scottish naming pattern, William's father should be Peter.
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1 May 2010 07:28 |
Who was Isabella's parents please? When & where did Isabella die and who was the informant? All this information will help us to connect to the correct family. Thanks Kath
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1 May 2010 07:47 |
For Ref. 1841 census
Name: William Gardner Age: 20 Estimated birth year: abt 1821 Gender: Male Where born: Perthshire, Scotland Civil parish: Madderty County: Perthshire Address: Bellyclow Occupation: Ag Lab Parish Number: 378 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age William Gardner 20 Isebella Gardner 25 Peter Gardner 3 Janet Gardner 6 Mo Alexander Drummond 50 Catherine Drummond 45 Margaret Drummond 20 Ann Drummond 20 John Drummond 12 Susan Drummond 8 William Mcinnes 9 Mo Source Citation: Parish: Madderty; ED: 3; Page: 5; Line: 1450; Roll ; Year: 1841.
I should think that William was born a little earlier than 1821. He could have been born between 1817 and 1821 as the enumerator has rounded down the adult ages to multiples of 5 on this census. That was what they were supposed to do in 1841 although not all did.
You could look for the Williams that you think are possible on the 1841 census and perhaps find the correct William by a process of elimination.
Can you give us the details of the possible births please?
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1 May 2010 08:18 |
Isabel is 38 years old on the 1851 census so could have been born c1813
Name: Isabel Gardner Age: 38 Estimated birth year: abt 1813 Relationship: Head Gender: Female Where born: Crieff, Perthshire Parish Number: 333 Civil parish: Blackford County: Perthshire Address: New Street Occupation: Engayed At Home ED: 1 Page: 24 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 117 Line: 19 Roll: CSSCT1851_72 Household Members: Name Age Isabel Gardner 38 Petis Gardner 13 Janet Gardner 10 Ann Gardner 8 William Gardner 4 Source Citation: Parish: Blackford; ED: 1; Page: 19; Line: 24; Roll 1299; Year: 1851.
It may be worth looking at the original on Scotlandspeople to see if she was a widow as William may just have been working away from home.
If she is widowed it narrows the timescale for William's death to 1846 to 1851.
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Kath
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1 May 2010 08:29 |
There is this one but doesn't seem to tie in with William's childrens names.
WILLIAM GARDNER Pedigree Male
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: 19 MAY 1821 Blackford, Perth, Scotland Christening: Death: Burial:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: WILLIAM GARDNER Family Mother: ELIZABETH TAYLOR
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Messages: Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
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1 May 2010 08:39 |
Another one that doesn't seem to fit with names.
WILLIAM GARDNER Pedigree Male
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: 11 SEP 1818 Christening: 21 SEP 1818 Dunblane, Perth, Scotland Death: Burial:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: JAMES GARDNER Family Mother: HELEN MARTIN
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Messages: Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
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Linda
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1 May 2010 11:32 |
Thanks for this. Unfortunately the marriage cert only states 1837 Proclamations Nov 26 William Gardiner and Isabel McPherson. Absolutely nothing else.
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rootgatherer
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1 May 2010 11:46 |
The Dunblane fellow is living with his mother in 1851 and wrong occupation.
Name: William Gardener Age: 32 Estimated birth year: abt 1819 Relationship: Son Mother's Name: Ellen Gender: Male Where born: Dunblane, Perthsh Parish Number: 348 Civil parish: Dunblane County: Perthshire Address: Ramoyle Occupation: Mason ED: 1 Page: 13 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 63 Line: 5 Roll: CSSCT1851_74 Household Members: Name Age Ellen Gardener 73 William Gardener 32 Source Citation: Parish: Dunblane; ED: 1; Page: 5; Line: 13; Roll 654; Year: 1851.
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rootgatherer
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1 May 2010 11:51 |
This looks like the Blackford one - unmarried in 1841 (looks like his father is remarried)
Name: William Gardiner Age: 19 Estimated birth year: abt 1822 Gender: Male Where born: Perthshire, Scotland Civil parish: Blackford County: Perthshire Address: Mophead Drumlochy Parish Number: 333 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Margaret Gardiner 80 William Gardiner 60 Jean Gardiner 55 William Gardiner 19 Peter Gardiner 12 John Gardiner 8 Elizabeth Morrison 16 Source Citation: Parish: Blackford; ED: 7; Page: 1; Line: 1321; Roll ; Year: 1841.
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Linda
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1 May 2010 12:08 |
Isabel's parents were William McPherson and Ann McPherson nee Christie (deceased). Isabel died on 14/11/1883 in something?? Strathmiglo, age 67 years Father William McPherson, Mason (deceased) died of old age (not certified), informant possible Ken Campbell son in law. It does state Widow of William Gardiner something??? labourer.
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Linda
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1 May 2010 12:09 |
William Gardiner Agricultural Labourer is what it states on Isabel's death certificate.
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1 May 2010 12:11 |
this is a huge vollume book on line which u may find info,for ppl with scot history www.archive.org/details/fastiecclesiaesc00scot
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rootgatherer
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1 May 2010 12:15 |
William is an Agricultural Labourer on the 1841 census too. If you know where Isabel is buried it may lead you to a death date for William as they may be buried together. It looks though that he died before Statutory registration began in 1855. So even if you find his death recorded in the burial records it almost certainly won't give any details of his parents.
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Kath
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1 May 2010 12:43 |
Just for info.
2 deaths on scotlandspeople.
WILLIAM GARDNER 23RD MARCH 1846 BLACKFORD
WILLIAM GARDNER 9TH OCTOBER 1846 BLACKFORD
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1 May 2010 13:33 |
ISABEL MCPHERSON Family Marriage: 26 NOV 1837 Crieff, Perth, Scotland ISOBEL MCPHERSON Family Marriage: 09 DEC 1837 Fowlis Wester, Perth, Scotland Banns in different Towns means either born or staying there.
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ellieathome
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1 May 2010 13:38 |
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ISABEL MCPHERSON Pedigree Female
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Christening: 14 AUG 1808 Crieff, Perth, Scotland Death: Burial:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: WILLIAM MCPHERSON Family Mother: ANN CHRISTIE
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Messages: Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: C113424 1746 - 1820 1040076 Film 6900657 Film Sheet: 00
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1 May 2010 13:46 |
1851 Census Name: Isabel Gardner Age: 38 Estimated birth year: abt 1813 Relationship: Head Gender: Female Where born: Crieff, Perthshire Parish Number: 333 Civil parish: Blackford County: Perthshire Address: New Street Occupation: Engayed At Home ED: 1 Page: 24 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 117 Line: 19 Roll: CSSCT1851_72 Household Members: Name Age Isabel Gardner 38 Petis Gardner 13 Janet Gardner 10 Ann Gardner 8 William Gardner 4 Unfortunately, we are unable to display the accompanying images of this census at present, despite extensive negotiation with the General Register Office for Scotland. Permission from them has not, as yet, been forthcoming. For this reason, and to enable you to continue with your family history research, Ancestry has heavily transcribed the Scottish Census records to ensure you have access to all key areas of information contained within this
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1 May 2010 13:53 |
PETER GARDNER Pedigree Male
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: 06 JAN 1837 Blackford, Perth, Scotland Christening: Death: Burial:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: WILLIAM GARDNER Family Mother: ISABELLA MCPHERSON
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Messages: Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: C113335 1820 - 1855 0993481 Film 6903053 Film Sheet: 00
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