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I am stuck with this one, hope someone can help.....William Gardiner born c1821 (first child born in Blackford, Perth, Scotland) married to Isabella McPherson 26/11/1837 in Crieff, Perth, Scotland - Isabella born c1816. I have found Isabella's death certificate giving me her parents names however i am unable to find any more information on William Gardiner - Thier marriage certificate does not show parents names. Doing a search on Scotlands people show 3 birth certs that may be his unfortunaltely the immages are not available - but still how do i know which one would be his?????? Where else can i look for further information???

Hi Linda,
So this is the marriage of William.

WILLIAM GARDNER Pedigree
Male Family


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Event(s):
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Marriages:
Spouse: ISOBEL MCPHERSON Family
Marriage: 09 DEC 1837 Fowlis Wester, Perth, Scotland



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Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

AND POSSIBLY THE BANNS

WILLIAM GARDINER Pedigree
Male Family


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Event(s):
Birth:
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Death:
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Marriages:
Spouse: ISABEL MCPHERSON Family
Marriage: 26 NOV 1837 Crieff, Perth, Scotland



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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

It looks like one or the other of them came from Fowlis Wester.

On the marriage cert, does it give William or Isabella's residence at time of their marriage?

Kath

This is their children:

76. JANET GARDNER - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Female Birth: 22 NOV 1840 Blackford, Perth, Scotland

77. PETER GARDNER - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Birth: 06 JAN 1837 Blackford, Perth, Scotland

78. ISABEL GARDINER - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Female Christening: 08 DEC 1844 Blackford, Perth, Scotland

79. ANN GARDINER - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Female Christening: 27 NOV 1842 Blackford, Perth, Scotland

80. WILLIAM GARDNER - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Birth: 09 NOV 1846 Blackford, Perth, Scotland

If they used the Scottish naming pattern, William's father should be Peter.

Kath

Who was Isabella's parents please?
When & where did Isabella die and who was the informant?
All this information will help us to connect to the correct family.
Thanks
Kath

For Ref. 1841 census

Name: William Gardner
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Gender: Male
Where born: Perthshire, Scotland

Civil parish: Madderty
County: Perthshire
Address: Bellyclow
Occupation: Ag Lab
Parish Number: 378
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Gardner 20
Isebella Gardner 25
Peter Gardner 3
Janet Gardner 6 Mo
Alexander Drummond 50
Catherine Drummond 45
Margaret Drummond 20
Ann Drummond 20
John Drummond 12
Susan Drummond 8
William Mcinnes 9 Mo

Source Citation: Parish: Madderty; ED: 3; Page: 5; Line: 1450; Roll ; Year: 1841.



I should think that William was born a little earlier than 1821. He could have been born between 1817 and 1821 as the enumerator has rounded down the adult ages to multiples of 5 on this census. That was what they were supposed to do in 1841 although not all did.

You could look for the Williams that you think are possible on the 1841 census and perhaps find the correct William by a process of elimination.

Can you give us the details of the possible births please?

Isabel is 38 years old on the 1851 census so could have been born c1813

Name: Isabel Gardner
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1813
Relationship: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Crieff, Perthshire
Parish Number: 333
Civil parish: Blackford
County: Perthshire
Address: New Street
Occupation: Engayed At Home
ED: 1
Page: 24 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 117
Line: 19
Roll: CSSCT1851_72
Household Members: Name Age
Isabel Gardner 38
Petis Gardner 13
Janet Gardner 10
Ann Gardner 8
William Gardner 4

Source Citation: Parish: Blackford; ED: 1; Page: 19; Line: 24; Roll 1299; Year: 1851.



It may be worth looking at the original on Scotlandspeople to see if she was a widow as William may just have been working away from home.

If she is widowed it narrows the timescale for William's death to 1846 to 1851.

There is this one but doesn't seem to tie in with William's childrens names.

WILLIAM GARDNER Pedigree
Male


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Event(s):
Birth: 19 MAY 1821 Blackford, Perth, Scotland

Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: WILLIAM GARDNER Family
Mother: ELIZABETH TAYLOR


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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Kath

Another one that doesn't seem to fit with names.

WILLIAM GARDNER Pedigree
Male


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Event(s):
Birth: 11 SEP 1818

Christening: 21 SEP 1818 Dunblane, Perth, Scotland

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: JAMES GARDNER Family
Mother: HELEN MARTIN


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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Kath

Thanks for this. Unfortunately the marriage cert only states 1837 Proclamations Nov 26 William Gardiner and Isabel McPherson. Absolutely nothing else.

The Dunblane fellow is living with his mother in 1851 and wrong occupation.

Name: William Gardener
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1819
Relationship: Son
Mother's Name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Dunblane, Perthsh
Parish Number: 348
Civil parish: Dunblane
County: Perthshire
Address: Ramoyle
Occupation: Mason
ED: 1
Page: 13 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 63
Line: 5
Roll: CSSCT1851_74
Household Members: Name Age
Ellen Gardener 73
William Gardener 32

Source Citation: Parish: Dunblane; ED: 1; Page: 5; Line: 13; Roll 654; Year: 1851.

This looks like the Blackford one - unmarried in 1841 (looks like his father is remarried)

Name: William Gardiner
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1822
Gender: Male
Where born: Perthshire, Scotland

Civil parish: Blackford
County: Perthshire
Address: Mophead Drumlochy
Parish Number: 333
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Margaret Gardiner 80
William Gardiner 60
Jean Gardiner 55
William Gardiner 19
Peter Gardiner 12
John Gardiner 8
Elizabeth Morrison 16

Source Citation: Parish: Blackford; ED: 7; Page: 1; Line: 1321; Roll ; Year: 1841.

Isabel's parents were William McPherson and Ann McPherson nee Christie (deceased). Isabel died on 14/11/1883 in something?? Strathmiglo, age 67 years Father William McPherson, Mason (deceased) died of old age (not certified), informant possible Ken Campbell son in law. It does state Widow of William Gardiner something??? labourer.

William Gardiner Agricultural Labourer is what it states on Isabel's death certificate.

this is a huge vollume book on line which u may find info,for ppl with scot history
www.archive.org/details/fastiecclesiaesc00scot

William is an Agricultural Labourer on the 1841 census too. If you know where Isabel is buried it may lead you to a death date for William as they may be buried together. It looks though that he died before Statutory registration began in 1855. So even if you find his death recorded in the burial records it almost certainly won't give any details of his parents.

Just for info.

2 deaths on scotlandspeople.

WILLIAM GARDNER 23RD MARCH 1846 BLACKFORD

WILLIAM GARDNER 9TH OCTOBER 1846 BLACKFORD

Kath

ISABEL MCPHERSON Family
Marriage: 26 NOV 1837 Crieff, Perth, Scotland
ISOBEL MCPHERSON Family
Marriage: 09 DEC 1837 Fowlis Wester, Perth, Scotland
Banns in different Towns means either born or staying there.

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ISABEL MCPHERSON Pedigree
Female


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 14 AUG 1808 Crieff, Perth, Scotland

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: WILLIAM MCPHERSON Family
Mother: ANN CHRISTIE


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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.


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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

C113424 1746 - 1820 1040076 Film 6900657 Film


Sheet: 00



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1851 Census
Name: Isabel Gardner
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1813
Relationship: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Crieff, Perthshire
Parish Number: 333
Civil parish: Blackford
County: Perthshire
Address: New Street
Occupation: Engayed At Home
ED: 1
Page: 24 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 117
Line: 19
Roll: CSSCT1851_72
Household Members: Name Age
Isabel Gardner 38
Petis Gardner 13
Janet Gardner 10
Ann Gardner 8
William Gardner 4


Unfortunately, we are unable to display the accompanying images of this census at present, despite extensive negotiation with the General Register Office for Scotland. Permission from them has not, as yet, been forthcoming. For this reason, and to enable you to continue with your family history research, Ancestry has heavily transcribed the Scottish Census records to ensure you have access to all key areas of information contained within this

PETER GARDNER Pedigree
Male


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Event(s):
Birth: 06 JAN 1837 Blackford, Perth, Scotland

Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: WILLIAM GARDNER Family
Mother: ISABELLA MCPHERSON


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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.


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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

C113335 1820 - 1855 0993481 Film 6903053 Film


Sheet: 00



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