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Hi Margaret
I think Sarah Ann was certainly related to Samuel Dobree Bloice
Samuel was a witness to her marriage

The Parish Church St leonards Shorditch
marriage 01 MAR 1852
William Longden hatfield full age Bachelor proffession tailor residence St james Westminster father William Longden prof: Tailor
Sarah ann Bloice full age spinster profession servant residence St Leonards Shoreditch Father Robert Bloice Carpenter

wittnesses samuel dobree bloice
henry wilton and mary bloice

Hi All, You are doing a sterling job of broadening your searching. When I tried yesterday, I found Martha Maria's marriage to Thomas Young, at Shoreditch, and I have always had a handwritten copy of Sarah Ann's marriage cert. In the 1841census I found William Bloice, 45, George 20, William 15 and Mary 15. No mother, and twins, which still occur in my family today, usually every second generation. (My father had twin brothers.) Couldn't find a record of William's marriage. And of course, would still like to know Robert sen's parents and Martha Rebecca's maiden name and parents. Too much wishing? And I think William Longden Hatfied, tailor, and named Attfield in the record, boarded with one of the Bloice sisters, and that's how he and Sarah Ann met. Thanks again, M

The Ipswich Journal Feb 12th 1820
Notice to debtors and creditors
ROBERT BLOICE of Great Bentley in the county of Essex General Shopkeeper having assigned his estate and effects to Messers James Seaman and JOHN BLOICE of Thorpe ,in the said county,in trust for the said benefit of such creditors shall execute the Deed of Assignment ,who will be respectively called upon by one of the Trustees. All persons having any claim or demand upon the the estate and effects or any unsettled accounts with the said ROBERT BLOICE are particularly requested to send them to James Seaman or JOHN BLOICE, and all persons indebted to Robert Bloice or who have any of his effects are required to pay and deliver forthwith
Thorpe feb 4th 1820

Briefly as I am a 1 fingered typist
The Old Bailey July 11th 1832
THE LOTTERY TICKET
Robert Bloice aged 43 a carpenter of very respectable appearance
www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t18320705-181-defend1523&div=t18320705-181#highlight

Hi Margaret


Just one point


The fact that William and Mary were both 15 on the 1841 Census does NOT necessarily mean that they were twins.


The enumerators were under instructions to round DOWN to the nearest 5 the ages of all people aged 15 and over


so all that means is that William and Mary individually were somewhere between 15 and 19 years of age.


If you notice, William and George's ages were also multiples of 5.


You will have to fiond them on the 1851 Census, or on the IGI or somewhere to see whether they really were twins.





sylvia

This I presume is the William Bloice you found in 1841


1841 Census

Name: William Bloice
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1826
Gender: Male
Where born: Essex, England

Civil parish: Great Bromley
Hundred: Tendring
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Registration district: Tendring
Sub-registration district: Ardleigh

William Bloice 45 Ag Lab
George Bloice 20 Ag Lab
William Bloice 15 Ag Lab
Mary Bloice 15 Ag Lab

Address:- Town House Lane


I couldn't find either William or Mary on the 1851 Census


but there was this One World Tree information, which looked interesting:-



Mary Bloice
Father: William Bloice
Mother: Mary Manning
Birth: 11 May 1825 - Great Bromley, Essex, England
Death: 1841 - Great Bromley, Essex, England


William Bloyce
Spouse: Mary Ann
F: William Bloice

M: Mary Manning
Birth: 8 Oct 1822 - Great Bromley, Essex, England
Death: 1901 - Essex, England


Opening that tree shows:-

William Bloice
Born: 1792
Great Bromley, Essex, England
Died: 1842
Great Bromley, Essex, England

Spouse
Mary Manning
Born: Great Bromley, Essex, England
Died:
Marriage: 24 Jun 1818 in St Georges Church Great Bromley, Essex, England

Children
George Bloyce M born 9 Jun 1819 in Great Bromley, Essex, England
Mary Bloice F b. 11 May 1825 in Great Bromley, Essex, England William Bloyce M b. 8 Oct 1822 in Great Bromley, Essex, England




you should be able to find this on ancestry.co.uk





sylvia

Thanks Sylvia and everyone else for a very interesting thread. I found the connection with William Hatfield, and Sarah Ann, his future wife. William boarded with Martha Maria and Thomas Young. Both men were tailors. You also gave me heaps of other info I didn't have about the family, so I am very grateful. I'll continue the search. Cheers, Margaret