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I don't know how the answer would come! You need some certificates ...
I still don't understand why you had put the Whitehead-Ball children in your tree (when?) and not mentioned that in this thread. Is there some reason other than my suggestion here?
There is no way you will know whether the Whitehead-Ball marriage is the correct one without at least looking at the certificate to see what info is given for that Edith, and whether it matches the information you have been told (e.g. that she was very young), and seeing what else it might tell you that could be used to search for more info.
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Dear Janey
You a have been a great support in both providing information and asking the question in writing.
YES YES the Taylor Industrie was mentioned however the birth cert of Edith that I have had a diffrent back ground.
Edith Whitehead was born in Alysbury Buckinghamshire 1916 Not Fulham. The Whiteheads in Alysbury I feel are a better match I could be incorrect.
If my Edith in Aylsbury dob 1916 is the correct one then she did not marry Ernist Ball of Fulham.
I will have to go to the nation archive a check out all the information that very one has given me
Many thanks lesley
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what is the exact DOB of Edith??? only one Edith Whitehead comes up in birth reg for Aylesbury first qtr 1916.
I have stumbled across a tree on ancestry that has an Edith born in Ayylesbury unfortunately does not give dates but I have been able to track through. This Edith married a Edward A Collins in Aylesbury 1939.
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What exactly makes you think the Aylesbury connection is correct?......Do you know for sure that your Edith came from there?
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Yes, please.
Where is this information coming from - now and not before?
What is the national archives going to provide?
Why say something like "the birth cert of Edith that I have had a diffrent back ground" and not tell us what you're talking about? What birth, why that Edith, what is a background? Why not just answer the simple questions about how her name is given and whether her age is stated? We've been doing a fair bit here to try to solve the puzzle, but if you're witholding pieces of it, it's a dead letter.
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Dear Victoria
Edith Whitehead was born in 6 Whitehall Row Aylesbury date of borth 3rd march 1916.
I am now total confused to what Edith is the correct one, 7 years ago when I statrted this search I could only find ONE in Edith in Aylesbury.
The Ball Family in Fulham may be the correct family if only I had a photo of Edith Ball this might help
Lesley
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Dear Janey
Manty thanks for you help, just to confim my find I spoke to my sister and she claims that the Grandfather was a Jewller not a taylor in that case what would a Jewller need a shorthand hand typist for???
I was advise he as a taylor would a taylor need a short hand typist.
I could look up the diffrent companies in Fulham or Hammersmith for both Jewllers or Taylors to see if there is any information.
You have give me al the details of an Edith who came from Fulham I did not have that information.
Now I think that your information is correct and my investigation was rong the ceritifcate for Edith in Aylesbuiry is not correct
Lesley
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Der Janey
Just to inform you that I have the Birth certificates for
Rose Mary Whitehead October 1933
an Edith Whitehead of Aylesbury 3.3.1916
Father Frederick Whitehead Mother was Annie Brockless
Edith and Ernest Marriage 13.3.1934
Raymond Samuel Ball mother formerly Edith Margaret Whitehead 10.5.1938.
I have the cert for Ernest must has missed filed the document
Regards Lesley
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Lesley .... ! Our question is:
Why Edith Whitehead of Aylesbury 3.3.1916 ?
There are gazillions of Edith Whiteheads in England who could have been your Edith. What made you pick that one?
There's no point in trying to trace anything about her unless there's some reason to believe she's the right one!
It's intuitive to think that the one who was born and married in Fulham would be the right one, as I've suggested -- but that could equally well be flat wrong, and mere coincidence, of course.
Would you delete the info about the 1938 birth? That's someone who is very probably still living so it's not fair to be putting his details here, in the midst of a discussion of the personal life of the person who *could* be his mother. ;) That's why I just said, earlier, "Children of the marriage born in Fulham in 1935, 1938 and 1942", and sent you the details privately.
What we're missing from the Whitehead-Ball marriage certificate you have is the *age* of that Edith when she married -- to check against the 1916 Edith birth in Fulham, e.g. How old was the Edith who married Ball when she married?
Victoria notes that the Aylesbury Edith seems to have married Collins in Aylesbury in 1939. That's 6 years after Rose was born, and that Edith would have been 23ish when she married. Does that match with the story you have, of Edith being very young, preparing to marry, at the time someone spoke to her about Rose (who would have been 6 when that Edith married)?
For info, this is the death that best matches the Edith Whitehead born in 1916 in Fulham, who married Ball (the Ball-Whitehead child's birth cert you have gave her middle name, which is good, but you should still delete that now).
Name: Edith Margaret Ball
Birth Date: 21 Sep 1916
Death Registration Month/Year: Dec 1994
Age at death (estimated): 78
Registration district: Merton
Inferred County: Surrey
Register number: B32
District and Subdistrict: 2441
Entry number: 180
On Rose's birth cert -- there is *no* middle name for Edith? That wouldn't rule Edith Margaret out, as she may simply not have stated it.
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Dear Janey and Victoria
I owe you for your time and help. I have deleted all Ball family connections as requested.
Ediths Margret Age on the marriage certificate dated 1934 is 18 spinster. father Fredrick Joseph Whithead Labouer
Ediths Father signed the certificate with R V Hopkins
in St John Church Fulham 13.3.1934
7 years ago I just started research an I made incorrect conculsions Edith in Aylesbuy was one.
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Nah, we owe you too for giving us something useful to do. ;)
If only Edith Margaret's marriage certificate gave an occupation for *her*. -- It doesn't, does it?!
I do think she is just the perfect prime candidate. Now unfortunately deceased, of course.
What is it you'd most like to do at this point -- trace Rose's ancestry or find living relations? Both depend on identifying Edith, of course, and maybe on finding living family in both cases to do that.
I'm off to await the arrival of an old beau from -- shut your eyes or be gobsmacked at the idea I'm this old -- 38 years ago, whom I haven't seen in almost that long, so I'll be looking back in latish on Saturday probably! (It's 4:30 in the afternoon here in central Canada now.)
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