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Deperately trying to trace my father's mother. Birth Cert gives her name as Alicia Earl formerly Jennings. Date of birth 4/7/1885. Salmon Lane London. No record of a marriage, birth or anything. My father's father was married to Eliza James at the time and I know she existed because she lived with us until her death in 1940, although her birth and background are cloudy.
Any help gratefully received.
Norman Earl

Sorry Norman I think I may be misreading your post, can you clarify...

Who was born 1885?

Your f/father and F/mother were not married?

Are you saying that your father was adopted and that his birth mother was Alicia Earl (nee Jennings) ?

Marriages Mar 1884 (>
Earl Richard Bethnal Green 1c 447
James Eliza Bethnal Green 1c 447

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Richard Earl
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Spouse Name: Eliza James
Spouse Age: 23
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 26 Jan 1884
Parish: St Thomas, Bethnal Green
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Richard Earl
Spouse Father Name: Henry James



Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, Saint Thomas, Bethnal Green, Register of marriages, P72/TMS, Item 025


Richard's occupation is a Biscuit maker



This looks like them in 1891, but Eliza now appears to be Letitia -


EARL, Richard Head Married M 29 1862 Baker Biscuit
Woolwich VIEW
EARL, Letita Wife Married F 29 1862
Southend VIEW
EARL, Richard Son Single M 5 1886 Scholar
Limehouse
London VIEW
JAMES, Henry Brother M 24 1867 Baker Biscuit
St George's
London VIEW
JAMES, Thomas Boarder Widower M 58 1833 Black & Master Maker
Ireland VIEW

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RG number:
RG12 Piece:
295 Folio:
112 Page:
17

Registration District:
Stepney Sub District:
Limehouse Enumeration District:
11 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Mother Church St Ann

Civil Parish:
Limehouse Municipal Borough:
Tower Hamlets Address:
34, Dalgleish Street, Limehouse, London, Tower Hamlets County:
London

ARL, Richard Head Married
27 years M 49 1862 Master Baker London Mile End VIEW
EARL, Eliza Wife Married
27 years F 50 1861 London Mile End VIEW
WILSON, George Boarder Single M 51 1860 Labourer Kent Mile End Woolwich VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
1644 Reference:
RG14PN1644 RG78PN57 RD21 SD2 ED28 SN250

Registration District:
Mile End Old Town Sub District:
Mile End Old Town North Eastern Enumeration District:
28 Parish:
Mile End Old Town

Address:
112 Coutt's Road Mile End E

5 children 4 living

Name: Richard Thomas Earl
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 22 Jul 1885
Father's Name: Richard Earl biscuit maker
Mother's Name: Eliza Earl
Parish: St Saviour, Poplar
Borough: Tower Hamlets
County: Middlesex

norman is this her ?

Name: Alice Earl
Death Registration Month/Year: 1940
Age at death (estimated): 65
Registration district: Brentford
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 294

I'm wondering whether Alicia, Eliza, Letitia is all one and same person depending on who's doing the writing.

1901

EARL, Richard Head Married M 36 1865 Biscuit Baker
Limehouse
London VIEW
EARL, Letitia Wife Married F 34 1867
Southend
Essex VIEW
EARL, Richard T Son Single M 15 1886 Warehouse Porter
Limehouse
London VIEW
WILSON, George Boarder Single M 38 1863 Joint Maker
St Georges
London VIEW

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RG number:
RG13 Piece:
337 Folio:
82 Page:
19

Registration District:
Mile End Old Town Sub District:
Mile End Old Town Eastern Enumeration District:
29 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Stepney St Luke Mile End Old Town

Civil Parish:
Mile End Old Town Municipal Borough:
Address:
112, Coutts Road, Mile End Old Town County:
London

Alicia Jennings married somebody Earl....who ????

where did they live? Brentford?

what are the names of their children, when where were they born???
eg your father's name and dob etc

Victoria

My understanding of the request is that Alicia (Alice) had a child (probably Richard - as per census) with Mr Earl whilst he was married to Eliza.................

I may have misinterpreted it, of course, but until Norman returns with further info about his 'desperate' search, it's only conjecture.

Ann,
My father Richard Thomas Earl was born 4/7/1885. Birth cert gives Alicia Earl formerly Jennings as mother. Is there a subtle difference between "formerly" and "nee".

Hello Norman,

I think you had better reply to your answers/questions relating to your thread so the guys can progress further, you need to stay online after you post to answer any queries.

So are you saying that the father never married the mother but was already married to someone else?

Annx

Victoria,
I hav'nt found any evidence of Alicia Jennings marrying anyone or even existing. The father on my father's birth cert is Richard Earl, living at 26 Salmon Lane, supposedly married to Eliza James.
Norman

I've been looking for a Salmon Lane, but can't find one except in Somerset, Cambridgeshire or Nottinghamshire.

I thought it might help to trace people living at Salmon Lane in 1881 and 1891.

Have you any more information on Salmon Lane ?

Norman, I think you need to buy one of the other children's birth certs and compare, for mothers maiden name.

Formerley usually means maiden name.
Previously is used for a prior married name.

Who registered your father's birth ?
What address does it give for informant?
Is the certificate an exact photcopy of the original or is it typed or hand re-written ?

Two Salmon Lanes in Stepney. One in Limehouse and another in Ratcliffe

Thanks Astra for Salmon Lane info

Choccy,

You have to search adding an S on the end, 26 is in Ratcliffe......had a look no connection there.