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Hi Shirley, I have only just come online as I have been out shopping today. I am surprised at how much you have found, I myself had five children for Alfred & Sarah and they were Sarah 1873 - Emily 1876-1884 - Mary Ann 1882 - Alice 1888 - Emily 1890 - 1891. I watched a program a few weeks ago called Who do you think you are, it is very popular here and I found out a reason a lot of children died at a very early age or in a group. Apparently it is Syphylus that the mother has or had and it starts off with miscarriages, then babies dying at birth. Sometimes it causes children to go blind. Gradually it gets out of the mother's system until she can have healthy children. I found this very sad as at the time they would not have known what the problem was. This was in the story of Kim Cantrall whose great grandfather was blind, married three times and of the children of the last wife six died in a group. The mother was not blind at birth but at three years of age and obviously she got over it to give birth to her other children and then it came back. Amazingly she lived to the ripe old age of 92 in Australia where they migrated.
Just a little bit of interest but a sad story as now we know why so many children died at a young age., it would have been horrific for the parents.
I am now perusing what you have given me.

think this is as far as I can go , gives you some names for the children they lost , very sad but not unknown though

Name: Alfred Frederick Dean
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 24 Oct 1872
Father's Name: Alfred Dean
Mother's Name: Sarah Dean
Parish: St Paul, Brentford
Borough: Hounslow
County: Middlesex

Deaths Dec 1872

DEAN Alfred Frederick 1 Brentford 3a 43
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Name: Emily Dean
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 19 Mar 1876
Father's Name: Alfred Dean
Mother's Name: Sarah Dean
Parish: St Paul, Brentford
Borough: Hounslow
County: Middlesex

Deaths Sep 1884
DEAN Emily 8 Brentford 3a 57
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Name: Clara Dean
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 28 Sep 1884
Father's Name: Alfred Dean
Mother's Name: Sarah Dean
Parish: St Paul, Brentford
Borough: Hounslow
County: Middlesex

Deaths Dec 1885

Dean Clara 1 Brentford 3a 50
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Name: Walter Dean
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 27 Jul 1887
Father's Name: Alfred Dean
Mother's Name: Sarah Dean
Parish: St Paul, Brentford
Borough: Hounslow
County: Middlesex

Sept 1887
Dean Walter 0 Brentford 3a 54
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1881 census
Name: Alfred Dean
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1846
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Hounslow, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Ealing
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address: 1 Providence Pla
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Laborer

Registration district: Brentford
Sub-registration district: Brentford
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred Dean 35
Sarah Dean 27
Sarah Dean 8
Emily Dean 5


Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 1348; Folio: 39; Page: 35; GSU roll: 1341327.


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Deaths Sep 1884

DEAN Emily 8 Brentford 3a 57


1891
Name: Alfred Dean
Age: 47
Estimated birth year: abt 1844
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Hounslow, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Ealing
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Brentford
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:7 Old Spring Gardens

Occupation:gen labourer

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Brentford
Sub-registration district: Brentford
ED, institution, or vessel: 32
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred Dean 47
Sarah Dean 36
Lilly Dean 18 b Brentford
Mary Dean 9
Alice Dean 3
Emily Dean 1

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 1032; Folio 10; Page 22; GSU roll: 6096142.

Births Mar 1890
Dean Emily Brentford 3a 102

Dec 1891
Dean Emily 1 Brentford 3a 102

No conclusive sign of Lilly after this census -no brth or baptism found

this looks like sarah age equates to 1854 birth

Deaths Jun 1933
Dean Sarah 79 Brentford 3a 104

I posted some marriages but was able to double check them on the parish records but neither correct so deleted so not to confuse
one was to McQueen and the other to Pounds so you dont buy wrong certs

this looks like Alice
1911 census
LUDLOW, Robert Dennis Head Married M 37 1874 Stockbrokers Clerk Dundry Somerset VIEW
LUDLOW, Bertha Lilian Wife Married
3 years F 34 1877 Llannorhangel Cruewky Mon VIEW
LUDLOW, Grace Mary Daughter F 2 1909 Acton Midd VIEW
LUDLOW, Joan Daughter F 1 1910 Acton Midd VIEW
, Infant Female Daughter F 0 1911 Acton Midd VIEW
HARRIS, Kate Servant Single F 33 1878 Monthly Nurse Colsterworth Lincs VIEW
PERRY, Eleanor Edith Single F 42 1869 Domestic Help Homerton Midd VIEW
DEAN, Alice Single F 23 1888 General Servant Domestic Uxbridge Midd VIEW >>>>>>>>>

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
6958 Reference:
RG14PN6958 RG78PN345 RD128 SD6 ED7 SN473

Registration District:
Brentford Sub District:
Acton Enumeration District:
7 Parish:
Acton

Address:
66 Maldon Road Acton County:
Middlesex

another snippet that I can't see has been posted is that Sarah lists she had been married for 40 years and had 14!!! children of which only 3 still living so the child Alice on the 1901 census must have still been alive by 1911

going back to the birth record of the son William I think maybe there was a miscommunication when the registrar asked what was the child's name he got the reply William Francis and mistakenly took the Francis as a christian name so the child is booked as William Francis in the christian name column and then Francis as the surname, as it was their first child they may not have realised the implication of this on the cert ,if indeed they could read , i expect the actual cert will show as this BUT he was baptised and died as William only

DEAN, Alfred Inmate Married M 68 1843 Formerly General Labourer b Middlesex Hounslow >>>>>>>

RG number:
RG14 Piece:
2716 Reference:
RG14PN2716 RD28 SD5 ED30 SN1

Registration District:
Greenwich Sub District:
Greenwich East Enumeration District:
30 Parish:
Greenwich

Address:
Woolwich Road Greenwich S E County:
London

Hi julia
Well finally got in and looked at the census I actually come from that area and indeed remember the Greenwich Workhouse entrance Doors behind which was the workhouse which was later converted into the Nurses homes as the Workhouse Infimary became the local hospital , our daughter was born there!! The Infirmary was in the same grounds as the Workhouse
Having looked at the census and going back to the start of the entries athough it starts with the Workhouse master & his wife it then lists staff and then a long list of nurses before it list inmates which makes me conclude that Alfred was in the Infirmary as an inmate rather than being in the Workhouse itself.

My other message did not get through.
What you have done for me is great. It tells me that Mary and Sarah Dean the two daughters of Alfred and Sarah are both married, where as before I did not have anything for them at all. The 1911 census is the best thing out with regards to finding family as they tell you how many children are born and are now living. Obviously Mary North is the niece of Sarah & William Francis. I really appreciate all you have given me and look forward to your comments on Alfred in the Institution.
Kind regards
Julia

will check when i can on the 1911

oh no the Find my past 1911 has gone down for maintenance was going to take a look but it does seem a likely scenario for Alfred ,perhaps he and Sarah parted and he went with daughter Sarah Francis whilst Sarah senior was with the other daughter

Well done Shirley, I am glad there is somebody out there like you willing to have a go, I couldn't do it myself. I think this would definitely have to be the one. I found a marriage for William Henry Francis to Sarah Dean Sep 1892 Brentford. Son William born Dec 1892 sounds correct to me.
Now I am thinking something else, when I was looking for Alfred Dean born 1846 what I did come across was one that had the age down as born 1843 but he was in an institution in Greenwich London. It seems possible this is the one as on the 1901 census for the Francis family the parish was Greenwich. What do you think?
Julia

NORTH, Robert Head Married M 30 1881 Carman Brentford Middx VIEW
NORTH, Mary Son Married
10 years F 29 1882 Brentford Middx VIEW
NORTH, Sarah Daughter F 10 1901 School Brentford Middx VIEW
NORTH, Robert Son M 9 1902 Brentford Middx VIEW
NORTH, Thomas Son M 7 1904 Brentford Middx VIEW
NORTH, Marie Lucy Daughter F 3 1908 Brentford Middx VIEW
NORTH, John Son M 0 (7 MONTHS) 1911 Brentford Middx VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
6939 Reference:
RG14PN6939 RG78PN344 RD128 SD5 ED12 SN124

Registration District:
Brentford Sub District:
Chiswick Enumeration District:
12 Parish:
Chiswick

Address:
14 Waldeck Road Chiswick County:
Middlesex

7 children born 6 still living
note 5 listed here and Mary is with Gran Sarah and the William and Sarah Francis

Name: Mary Dean
Year of Registration: 1901
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Brentford
County: Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 140
spouse Robert North

Name: Mary North
Year of Registration: 1906
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Brentford
County: Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 125

Births Dec 1892

Francis William Francis Brentford 3a 83

Deaths Jun 1893

Francis William 0 Brentford 3a 60


the original GRO birth record has the second name as Francis but think this may be an error

OOH lucky cos this looks very likely

Name: William Francis
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 25 Dec 1892
Father's Name: William Charles Francis
Mother's Name: Sarah Francis
Parish: St Paul, Brentford
Borough: Hounslow
County: Middlesex
father occ Bargeman
address 6 Isleworth Road

sorry it double posted!!