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Hello,

Can anyone with ancestry help me solve a puzzle.

Turner William A Turner Newbury 2c 1555 sept qtr 1939
Can you please if possible give me the detail from the above marriage,

if so you may be able to solve something i have been looking for, for ages.

many thanks

oops sorry 4got the date

I don't think the LMA parish records cover Newbury - that's Berkshire isn't it?

What year was it?

Jill

Ancestry doesnt give the marriage details from the cert. It does have some parish records for earlier marriages but these are for the london area, on the face of it the one you quote looks like post 1911

It's too late for the parish records in any event.

This one?

Marriages Sep 1939 (>99%)
Osgood Kathleen E Pearson Newbury 2c 1555 Scan available - click to view
Pearson William H Osgood Newbury 2c 1555 Scan available - click to view
Turner Hilda I Turner Newbury 2c 1555 Scan available - click to view
Turner William A Turner Newbury 2c 1555 Scan available - click to view


The only way to see the details is to send off for the cert.

Jill

Hi

thanks for your answers, is there no other way of finding the details without the certificate as it is just a hunch i am following.

thanks

Well you could perhaps look at births and see if there's something in it that could be what your wondering...

Would i be right in thinking you think you might have a cousin to cousin marriage?

Tracey x

hi
not sure really, its a bit complicated.

My Great Nan Ada Turner lived with a Robert Tuvey till he died in 1939 age in his 80s,
I have looked for a death for Ada F M Turner and the only one that matches has her as dying nov 1940 but has her as a widow of William Lewis Turner Artist (Painter).
so no sure if this is her, surely she didnt marry a year after her common law husband died and to someone with the same surname as herself?

many thanks

Was Ada F M Turner your great nan's name?

Do you know her maiden name?

Val

If she lived with Robert Tuvey I presume she didn't marry him? So she could be the widow of William Lewis Turner couldn't she?

The only way is to buy the cert ...

Jill

Hi
what do you have that is definite?

who was your grandparent? for example....

Hi
thanks for you replys Adas maiden name was powell, and she was married to Henry Turner, not sure if he died before Ada lived with Robert Tuvey.
He is deceased on his sons Walters marriage cert in 1919, but seems to show up as a visitor to his daughter at a workhouse after that?
Ada and Robert Tuvey brought up 17 children between them.
But had a unofficial pearly wedding,
Robert diedin 1939, so it would have been a quick marriage to William before she died in 1940 if that is the correct date she died.

hope that makes sense.

thanks

Hi

Henry Turner was married to and living with an Ada T Turner on the 1911 census, not Ada F M .

Marriages Sep 1888
POWELL Ada Pancras 1b 146
Turner Henry Pancras 1b 146

1911 census
TURNER, HENRY HEAD MARRIED M 43 LABOURER BUILDERS MILDLESEX ST PANCRAS
TURNER, ADA T WIFE MARRIED 22 F 37 N MIDDLSEX ST PANCRAS
TURNER, ALFRED SON N M 14 SCHOOL MIDDLESEX ST PANCRAS
TURNER, WALTER SON N M 12 SCHOOL MIDDLESEX ST PANCRAS
TURNER, ROSE E DAUGHTER N F 7 N MIDDLESEX ST PANCRAS
TURNER, ADA T DAUGHTER N F 6 N MIDDLESEX ST PANCRAS
TURNER, GEORGE W SON N M 3 N MIDDLESEX ST PANCRAS
TURNER, TREY SON N M 2 N MIDDLESEX ST PANCRAS

What makes you think that she was Ada F M TUrner please? That death for Ada F M Turner in 1940 would have made her born about 1864.

Have you got the original marriage cert to Henry?

1911 census

TURNER, WILLIAM LEWIS HEAD MARRIED M 47 PAINTER AND KITCHEN ARTIST GLAMORGANSHIRE LLANDAFF
TURNER, ADA FLORENCE MARY WIFE MARRIED 22 F 45 MONMOUTHSHIRE NEWPORT
TURNER, WINIFRED ELSIE DAUGHTER SINGLE F 21 NO OCCUPATION SURREY PUTNEY
TURNER, WILLIAM HERBERT LEWIS SON SINGLE M 20 CLERK COMMERCIAL SURREY PUTNEY
TURNER, THOMAS HUGH LEWIS SON M 5 MIDDLESEX ST MARGARETS


therefore the Ada's death in 1940 is not your relative.

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Such thoughtfulness and consideration for other users of the boards, to keep posting the same matter and wasting their time over and over.

You do need to stop wasting others' time.

If you get the Powell-Turner marriage certificate it will give you an age and father's name for Ada. The info on the 1911 census suggests she was 15 when she married. Hm.

You may then be able to find her actual birth. A real birthdate should help find her death. *If* that was her marriage. *If* they were married.

I don't see an Ada Turner with a Henry husband in 1891 or 1901. Or a Walter Turner with parents Ada and Henry in 1901. Something's screwy.

What actual hard info do you have? Where does the name Ada Powell come from? A child's birth certificate?

No one named Trey anything was born 1906-1910. I wonder whether that's what the 1911 really says.


edit

Births Dec 1908
Turner Thomas Joseph Pancras 1b 6

Births Jun 1903
TURNER Rose Beatrice Pancras 1b 162

Births Jun 1904
Turner Ada Maude Pancras 1b 91

If those are some of the children, the children's names/initials on the 1911 transcript seem to bbe screwy, and I'd check the original image. Ada Sr may not have middle initial T, either.

Name: Robert Tuvey
Death Registration Month/Year: 1939
Age at death (estimated): 82 = c1857
Registration district: Pancras
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1b
Page: 98

No such birth. No such person in 1911. No Robert Tuvey birth before 1884, Pancras.

One Robert Tuvey born 1852-1862 in any census:


1861

Name: Robert Tuvey
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Charles
Mother's Name: Sarah
Where born: Hackney, Berkshire, England

Civil parish: Norwood
Town: Southall
County/Island: Middlesex

Charles Tuvey 39
Sarah Tuvey 38
Mary Tuvey 17
Harriett Tuvey 12
William Tuvey 9
Sarah Tuvey 7
Robert Tuvey 3
John Tuvey 3 Mo

father Charles died 1908.


I'll bet this is him in 1911:

TURVEY ROBERT 1855 56 St Pancras London

Was his wife (or maybe second wife, 1903) Ellen?

There has got to be some confirmation of something to go on, here!

How thoroughly have you checked for a likely death kidsandpets? Have you for instance sent for any death certs that proved to be the wrong ones?

Obviously Ada Turner is a very common name and there are many possible deaths in the London area after Sept 1939 (which is when Robert Tuvey died). Going through the list though and going by her age in 1911 the first one that looks a real possibility is this one -

Name: Ada Turner
Death Registration Month/Year: 1956
Age at death (estimated): 81
Registration district: Islington
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 5c
Page: 816

I haven't got time to go through the complete list but this one might be a good place to start. I know that it says Ada T Turner on the 1911 transcript that was posted but I can't find a likely birth for an Ada T Powell around that time and it does just say Ada on the marriage reference.

Another possible -

Name: Ada Turner
Death Registration Month/Year: 1959
Age at death (estimated): 85
Registration district: Battersea
Inferred County: London
Volume: 5c
Page: 26

And another - you see the problem I'm afraid don't you.

Name: Ada Turner
Death Registration Month/Year: 1962
Age at death (estimated): 90
Registration district: Wandsworth
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 5d
Page: 675