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i am trying to trace details of my father william Duttons family. My father is 80 next month. I know his mother was helen walkingshaw and his father thomas dutton. His family of uncles and cousins played in flute bands in broxburn. I am told that a branch of the family owned the shale mines int he area but they mved to usa turn of the last century

You'll need to buy some credits at ScotlandsPeople. 6GBP will buy enough credits for 5 certs or census images if you're careful.
[Strictly speaking, they're not certs, but the uncertified images of the rego pages. In England, it'ld cost you 9GBP to have someone copy each entry onto certificate paper]
Images are availble from 1855 thru 1909/1934/1959 for BMDs. After that, you would have to buy certs (or extracts, as they call them) at 10GBP per.
All regos give both parents' names and MSs=Maiden Surnames (when known to the informant(s)).

Ancestry has partial transcriptions of the censuses 1841-1901 - 1911 not released until next year.

With luck, you ought to be able to get your grandparents' m.rego, and so your g grandparents names, etc. In the 1920s, abt 15% of Scottish marrs were of the so-called "irregular" sort, and these weren't always rego'ed.

Hi Lorraine, you don't say when Helen was born, but have you checked in the search tree box above? There are several trees with this name in them and you may well find a connection. Good luck. Cx.

Hi Lorraine,

I only have a minute but will come back later.

This is your Thomas with his mother on 1901 census.

To view the full details, you will need to use Scotlandspeople site, as already suggested.

1901 Scotland Census
about Christina Dutton
Name: Christina Dutton
Age: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Relationship: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Uphall, Linlithgowshire
Registration Number: 672
Registration district: Uphall
Civil parish: Uphall
County: West Lothian
Address: Holigate 121
Occupation: Annuitant
ED: 4
Household schedule number: 100
Line: 15
Roll: CSSCT1901_358
Household Members: Name Age
Christina Dutton 39
John Dutton 8
James Dutton 6
Thomas Dutton 4
Samuel Dutton 1


Source Citation: Parish: Uphall; ED: 4; Page: 21; Line: 15; Roll CSSCT1901_358; Year: 1901.

Dea x

Can anyone help on here please while I am 'doing lunch' ???

Dea x

Lorraine

This is a link to Broxburn Silver Band- there is an old black and white photo of the band - with all the members named - Your father may like to see it

http://www.broxburncatholicchurch.co.uk/?page_id=27

Broxburn Silver Band

The Band formed in 1891 from the ashes of an Irish flute band and had rehearsals in the Cardross Hotel, was known as the Broxburn Co-op and now known as the snooker club. The band first entered brass band competitions in 1895.

Irene

As said before Lorraine.
You need to go to Scotlands People and get credits as it is payper view only.
£6 for 30 credits.
You can then view/print off your grandparents marriage for its details.



1928 DUTTON THOMAS WALKINGSHAW HELEN NEWBATTLE /MIDLOTHIAN 695/00 0008 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER


I think I told you about ScotlandsPeople on another post by you on something that had Dutton in ?which I cant see now...

Thanks Irene - Thanks Fans !!

I had a couple of old credits on Scotlandspeople so have the marriage cert image - that is how I found him on 1901!!

Will send it to Lorraine if she sends me her e-mail by pm.

Dea Xxx

dea this is awesome and am so grateful it is interesting that my father said he never knew his grandfather and no one spoke of him am wondering why cristina wa down as head of household does anyone know what an'annuitant' is. I do know that my father said she sold sweets from her kitchen window she must have been very poor.

this is amazing I have been on hols for a few days and have only, now with deas very clear intructions got my self on to my 'thread' ? goodness knows if i close this page whether i will ever find it again. i have not open link to broxburn yet will do now thanks so much. lee

just reading you message properly i have an old photo somewhere of my dad at 16 playing int he bands and indeed it looked a bit like a flute band. i lost most family pics in a flood but will see if i still have it. I cant open this link from this page so shall write it all down and try opening from google or some such. thank. Could i say to anyone who is helping me thank you for your forebearance am not wuite as stupid as I might appear but I am trying to adjust to a mac laptop and not likeing it, that and being dyslexic well thats my excuses.

Hi Lorraine,

You found your way here then ??

The link to the site for the band photo won't open by just clicking it.

You will need to copy it into the top address bar.

Do you know how to copy and paste?

If not, left click your mouse and pull it accross the link to highlight it, then right click on the words and a menu will come up - click 'copy'

Then, open a new page on your browser - go to the address bar at the top - right click the mouse and from the menu click 'paste'.

Then press the arrow at the side to go to the page.

Just about to get my grandson ready so I can take him hime.

Will check back later.

Dea x

Dea x

i managed it your great for simple to follow instructions. I found the photo and have now mailed the priest to see of they have further records. its funny how each new lead throws up questions, my fathers family were staunch old school church of scotland but the band was linked to a catholic church. as for my grandmother being head of household with wee ones at just 39, makes me really keen to see if i can find out my grandfathers name and what happened to him. I should have known i wuld be hooked before i got the skills but am learning fast thanks to you all

Hi Lorraine -- I had a spare moment so checked the 1891 census, and this *could* be them:

Name: John Dutton
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Christina
Where born: Ireland
Occupation: Shale Labourer

Name: Christina Dutton
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's name : John
Where born: Uphall, Linlithgow

Registration district: Uphall
Civil parish: Uphall
Town: Broxburn
County: West Lothian
Address: 121 Holygate


Christina's age is off a way, but she could have fibbed, or it could be transcribed wrong (you can see the original at scotlandspeople, but not at Ancestry where I took that from).

There's no other Christina Dutton in Uphall in 1901 to account for that one in 1891, and childen born after 1891 also fits.


Did you get the marriage record to see the husband's name?


Oh duh. The address in 1901 is Holigate 121 and the address in 1891 is 121 Holygate. So I think we have the right household. ;)


An annuitant is a person living off an annuity -- an investment that pays them an income for life, usually left to them by a husband or father. It might come from an insurance policy, I think.

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/igi/individual_record.asp

A Mormon has submitted this information in the International Genealogy Index:

John Dutton
Birth: 1860 , , Ireland
Death: 09 NOV 1899
Father: John Dutton
Mother: Elizabeth Mcleary

The death date certainly makes a match; whether the parents' names are accurate is a question.

The same person likely submitted this:

John Dutton
Death: 09 NOV 1899
Father: John Dutton
Mother: Elizabeth Mcleary
Spouse: Christina Emslie Wilson
Marriage: 11 JUL 1890 Kirknewton, Midlothian, Scotland

That's a pretty specific date so it looks like it was taken from a parish record -- which is what you need, from scotlandspeople.


I was looking for a Christina Wilson with a father James in the 1881 census, because the Scottish naming pattern would make her second son named for her father.

The IGI has this baptism taken from a real parish record:

CHRISTINA EMSLIE WILSON
Birth: 21 APR 1870 Uphall, West Lothian, Scotland
Father: JAMES WILSON
Mother: ELIZABETH CAMERON
Batch No.: C116721

To practise using the resources yourself, go to the link for the IGI:

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/customsearchresults.asp

and search for that birth -- Christina Wilson born 1870 in British Isles, Scotland, with parents James and Elizabeth.

When you click on her name, you get what I copied above. Then click on the C116721 and search for just the father's name: James Wilson. You'll find a Robert Wilson born the following year who could be her brother -- except the mother's name is different, so it would have had to be a quick second marriage!

deleted and added to the previous post so it's easier to follow without turning the page

this is quite amazing and answers why cristina was head of the household. my fathers grandfather has died, it would appear quite young. It will be fun to try and find what he died off. as soon as i can i will subscribe againt o scotlands people and use the helpful info above to guideme through. thanks.

You're very welcome -- and remember, SP isn't subscription, it's just credits, and you can buy as little as 5 pounds' worth.

I have had no luck finding Christina in the 1871 or 1881 census. Don't know why!

Here she is in 1871

Name: Christine Wilson
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relationship: Daughter
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Where born: Broxburn, Linlithgow

Registration district: Uphall
Civil parish: Uphall
County: West Lothian
Address: Peynters Row

Elizabeth Camon 36 (remember, Cameron on the baptism record for Christina)
John Wilson 13
Elizabeth Wilson 8
Mary Wilson 11
Christine Wilson 1

Name: Elizabeth Camon
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1835
Relationship: Wife
Where born: Lanark


But husband is not at home.

Thanks for your input Janey,

Have just sent the marriage image through to Lorraine and Thomas's mother was indeed nee Wilson.

Too 'grandson kna*****d' to do much more tonight but will come back tomorrow.

Dea x

P.S. - Lorraine - you are in very good hands with 'our Janey'

Speak soon,

Dea x