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( STILL ) Trying to find the birth records for George Frederick Garnham. Died February 1950, Poplar, aged 68 years. Marriage to Mary-Ann Walker October 1913, Bethnall Green, aged 31 years . Ipswich, Suffolk shown as place of birth on all documents ( ie census returns found ) as place of birth, although age shown as ten years older on 1901 census than in 1911 return. His father is noted on his marriage certificate as being George Frederick Garnham too, farmer deceased. Not getting anywhere with tracing either gentleman's origins. Can anyone help ? This is driving me sooper loopy ! Many thanks

Is this the one you think is him in 1901?

Name: George Garnham
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1882
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Ipswich, Suffolk, England

Civil parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: London
Country: England


Registration district: St Marylebone
Sub-registration district: All Souls
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 181
Household Members: Name Age
Daniel James 32
Florence James 28
William James 5
Florence James 2
George Garnham 19 Occupation: GROOM
Frank Livingston 24

Do you really think this is the same person as the one in 1901?

Person: GARNHAM, George
Address: 15 Waterloo St Ipswich

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GILES, Elizabeth Head Widow F 58 1853 Charwoman Domestic Fingerhoe VIEW
GARNHAM, George Nephew Single M 21 1890 Labourer General Ipswich Sfk VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
10807 Reference:
RG14PN10807 RG78PN584 RD213 SD1 ED9 SN140

When you say "still", does this mean you have had a previous thread/threads about this? A search doesn't find any.

What was the occupation of the groom on the 1913 cert?

Marriages Dec 1913 (>99%)
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Garnham George F Walker Bethnal G. 1c 332

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Only one marriage for George Frederick Garnham as a possible parent

Marriages Sep 1863 (>99%)
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GARNHAM George Frederick Norwich 4b 225
Hall Emma Norwich 4b 225

I was thinking the same thing Janey !!

???

Dea x

Pardon me, I misspelled my search.

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ivy garnham, married wasyl koziemski in 1946, west sussex
father *george frederick garnham*, mother mary-ann garnham


Is this the same person you're looking for?

It is best (and in keeping with the guidance given in the post pinned at the top of the TTF board) to keep searches relating to closely related people in a single thread.

The only births for the name

Births Dec 1888
GARNHAM George Frederick Holborn 1b
Births Jun 1891
GARNHAM George Frederick Windsor 2c 449

His stated age at death makes him born c1882, however.

The marriage in Bethnall green is definitely the one I have. His occupation was pastry cook later baker's labourer. Known to have lived most of his life in Pancras - Whitechapel, Spittalfields area

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: George Frederick Garnham
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1882
Spouse Name: Mary Ann Walker
Spouse Age: 20
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 26 Oct 1913
Parish: St Matthew, Bethnal Green
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: George Frederick Garnham (decd) - Farmer
Spouse Father Name: John William Herbert Walker



Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, Saint Matthew, Bethnal Green, Register of marriages, P72/MTW, Item 078


Address - 32 Cheshire Street

This one in 1911 answers to a search for occupation "cook" and born in Ipswich:

GARNHAM GEORGE 1883 28 Shoreditch London

but he seems to be living with

GARNHAM ANNIE 1882 29 Shoreditch London

Hmm.


Marriages Sep 1905 ?
ASH Henry James St. Olave 1d 348
GARNHAM George Thomas St . Olave 1d 348
GRAY Annie St . Olave 1d 348
POWERS Amelia St . Olave 1d 348

-- that one would be this one:

Births Jun 1884
Garnham George Thomas St. Olave 1d 206

Have enquired previously via a contact on Ancestry, who couldn't find him despite having a very good knowledge of Garnhams. In 1901 he was shown as age 29 rather than 19, and working as a baker in London's East End, with only fellow employees detailed ( no relatives shown )

Yes, this is their marriage

1911 census - household transcription
Person: GARNHAM, George
Address: 45 Falkirk St Hoxton

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GARNHAM, George Married
5 years M 28 1883 Baker Suffolk Ipswick VIEW
GARNHAM, Annie F 29 1882 Domestic London Bethnal GN VIEW

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Does your knowledge of his occupation come from his marriage certificate / his children's birth certificates? i.e. not just from the census records you are assuming to be him.

Yes, found this one also believed to be him. mm indeed. No prior marriage anyway, have established that, and he was listed as batchelor on his marriage cert, which seems to be true

From marriage certificate, death certificate and from the odd crumb ( no pun intended ) of family knowlege of the gentleman.

Trial and error in 1911 -- Annie doesn't seem to be wife, sister or servant of George -- I don't pay to see what she is.

You've only established no prior marriage if you've established that his name was actually George Frederick Garnham -- which we don't seem to have done!

A father with the same name stated on a groom's marriage certificate can be an indication of a Sr and Jr pattern. But it can also be an indication of an invented father. And there can be many reasons for that. ;)

If you had already found the 1911 George I posted, why not dislose that, instead of having people hunt for him?

Do you know who the Annie in his household was?