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I am trying to find the birth record of Herbert Webster, first seen in the 1881 Census as a Step-son age 14 yrs, showing as born in suffolk around 1867, his mother is believed to be Caroline (surname unsure, maiden name Juniper, married to John Brazendale in 1860, married Henry Webster in 1873 (six years after Herbert was born?????) and finally (I think) married to George edwards in 1876 (Henry didn't stay around too long, unsure what happened to him)). Any info would be appreciated.

1881 for ref

Name: Herbert M. Webster
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Relation: Step Son
Mother's Name: Caroline
Gender: Male
Where born: Southwold, Suffolk, England

Civil parish: Clerkenwell
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 15 Northampton Sq
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Errand Boy

Registration district: Holborn
Sub-registration district: Goswell Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
George Edwards 64
Caroline Edwards 44
Herbert M. Webster 14

Thanks K, that is as far as i got, I cannot find his birth record anywhere.

1871

1871 England Census
about Herbert M Webster
Name: Herbert M Webster
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Caroline
Gender: Male
Where born: Suffolk, England
Civil parish: St Luke
Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Holborn
Sub-registration district: Old Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 157a
Household Members: Name Age
Caroline Webster 30 Widow born Suffolk no occupation
Herbert M Webster 4


Andy

Do you know what the middle initial M (which you didn't mention) stands for, e.g. from his marriage record?

Wow, where did you find that??? i have spent many hours No, days looking for that. That is brilliant you are a star. I suppose you now have his birth record don't you???

Says I hopefully!!!!

JaneyCanuck, I believe the 'M' stood for Major.

His place of birth is stated to be Southwold, which is in Blything reg dist.

Could this be him??

Births Sep 1866
Webster Abbot M Blything 4a 626

This is him?

Marriages Jun 1888
WEBSTER Herbert Major Islington 1b 446

A bride missing; Louisa Elizabeth Sunderland is the one shown.


There's no other record (marriage or death) of an Abbot Webster.

I think so. Whether misheard at registration or reworked later.

Name: Herbert Major Webster
Spouse Name: Louisa Elizabeth Sunderland
Record Type: Banns
Event Date: 18 Mar 1888
Parish: St Mary
County: Middlesex
Borough: Islington

1861 with daughter and first husband?

1861 England Census
about Caroline Jane Brazendale
Name: Caroline Jane Brazendale
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1837
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: John
Gender: Female
Where born: Newington, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Lambeth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Lambeth Church Second
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 57
Household Members: Name Age
John Brazendale 29
Caroline Jane Brazendale 24
Caroline Anne Brazendale 2 Mo

Birth for daughter

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Mar 1861 (>99%)
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BRAZENDALE Caroline Annie Lambeth 1d 346


and her marriage

Marriages Jun 1885 (>99%)
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Brazendale Caroline Annie Lambeth 1d 680





Andy

father on that Henry Webster confectioner

trouble is the Henry Webster marrying Caroline is a 'Whitesmith'... thats quite a big leap to confectioner?

Name: Caroline Jane Brazendale
Age: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1840
Spouse Name: Henry Webster
Spouse Age: 30
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 17 Aug 1873
Parish: St James, Bermondsey
County: Middlesex
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: John Juniper
Spouse Father Name: Henry Webster

Caroline was born c1840 and married Webster Q3 1873 in St Olave.

A John Brazendale about the same age died at about the same time:

Deaths Sep 1873
Brazendale John 32 Runcorn 8a 144

This could be what freed her to marry Webster.



Any thoughts on Abbot M Webster ............... ?

Runcorn is a long way from London

Andy

Indeed it is. Better suggestion?


The Carolines do seem to line up.

Marriages Mar 1860
? Brazendale John Lambeth 1d 321
Hall Thomas George Lambeth 1d 321
Henderson Isabel Phabe Lambeth 1d 321
Henderson Isabel Phoebe Lambeth 1d
? Juniper Caroline Jane Lambeth 1d 321
Juniper Jane Lambeth 1d 321


Although, of course, Herbert was supposed to have been born in Suffolk, per the 1871.

1871 - edit - *1861*

John Brazendale 29 - born Northumberland
Caroline Jane Brazendale 24 - born Newington, Surrey
Caroline Anne Brazendale 2 Mo

Civil parish: Lambeth


The places aren't quite adding up.

slight problem?

that marriage of Caroline Webster to Edwards... she is down as a widow but her fathers name is James Webster... even if she had used her late husbands father's name as her 'father' that's different ..henry Webster's father was also Henry......

edit - Wait, I had my years wrong. ;)


*1871*

Name: Caroline Brazendale
Age: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Newington, Surrey, England
Civil parish: Lambeth

Caroline Brazendale 33
Caroline Brazendale 9
Clara Brazendale 5
William Brazendale 1
Henry Wilster 27
William Ridge 39
Mary Ridge 30
May Ridge 6


No, wait. No Herbert. So yes, different Caroline??

I think the Brazendale-Webster marriage is wrong, different Caroline ........ ?

Another 1871 to add confusion. Do we have 2 seperate Caroline Brazendales? and who is Henry Wilster (Webster??)


1871 England Census
about Caroline Brazendale
Name: Caroline Brazendale
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Caroline
Gender: Female
Where born: Lambeth, Surrey, England
Civil parish: Lambeth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Phillip
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Lambeth Church Second
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 155
Household Members: Name Age
Caroline Brazendale 33 Needlewoman, born surrey
Caroline Brazendale 9
Clara Brazendale 5
William Brazendale 1
Henry Wilster 27 Housesmith,
William Ridge 39
Mary Ridge 30
May Ridge 6


Andy