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Isabella Turner was the first born to William Turner and Anne Woodmass Turner.Born 1857 in Benfieldside, Co Durham, Eng. Isabella and my grandmother Elizabeth did not move to the U.S.A. when the rest of the family moved. My grandmother married Thomas Callaghan. I hope someone will find Isabella. Thank you for any help. Fran

When did the others emigrate?Can you give us a copy of the family in a census? When is the last census you have seen Isabella in? The 1881 is free at Ancestry and familysearch --

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=7572&enc=1

Have you looked for a marriage or death at FreeBMD?

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl


These are the things others would do for starters -- may as well give it a try, if you haven't!

With an uncommon name and birthplace, search by them alone -- the only Isabella in 1881 born in Benfieldside is:

Name: Isabella Ramsey
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: William Ramsey
Gender: Female
Where born: Benfieldside, Durham, England

Civil parish: Benfieldside
County/Island: Durham
Registration district: Lanchester
Street Address: 18 Baxton Burn Rd

William Ramsey 22
Isabella Ramsey 24
Mable Ramsey
Elizabeth Muse 32


I'd try FreeBMD for a marriage to William Ramsey.

Marriages Jun 1883 (>99%)
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CALLAGHAN Thomas Lanchester 10a 442
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TURNER Elizabeth Ann Lanchester 10a 442

But having no luck with searches for various Isabella/William combinations, I'd go for Mabel Ramsey's birth certificate ... except I can't find that either.

As I suspected, though:

Births Jun 1881 (registered after the census)
RAMSAY Mabel Lanchester 10a 339

But I may be wrong -- William Ramsey in the 1881 was born in Newcastle.

Marriages Dec 1880
Corbett William Newcastle T. 10b 26
Lawrence Sarah Newcastle T. 10b 26
? MUSE Isabella Newcastle T. 10b 26
? Ramsay William Newcastle T. 10b 26
Redpath Sarah Newcastle T. 10b 26


Yup, I lose on that one:


1861

Name: Isabella Muse
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1856
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas Muse
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Muse
Where born: Shotley Bridge, Durham, England
> Civil parish: Benfieldside
County/Island: Durham



Drawing board, back to. ;)


Most likely looking candidate:


Marriages Jun 1875
LAMMONBY Robert Lanchester 10a 512
Mullen George Lanchester 10a 512
Tindale Margaret Ann Lanchester 10a 512
Tindall Margaret Ann Lanchester 10a 512
> Turner Isabella Lanchester 10a 512

Frances, it's really appreciated if people don't post and run ... stick around to answer questions ... like when the family emigrated, and what you've done to look for Isabella ... There's a helpful post pinned at the top of the TTF board (the full board where we read your post, not the Turner "surname board") explaining good practices.


The 1861 household for ref, in Iveston, Durham:

William Turner 29
Ann Turner 24
Isabella Turner 4
William Turner 10 MO

Well, another interesting Isabella, in 1891:

Name: Isabella Cullen
Age: 34
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Peter Cullen
Where born: Benfieldside, Durham, England

Civil parish: Benfieldside
Town: Blackhill
County/Island: Durham

Peter Cullen 40 - born in Ireland
Isabella Cullen 34
Bridget Cullen 18
Margaret Cullen 16
Henry Cullen 15
Thomas Cullen 9
John Cullen 11
Lizzie Cullen 7
Peter Cullen 5
Patrick Cullen 2
Cornelius Cullen 9/12


No Peter Cullen + Isabella marriage, and that looks like maybe a blended family. ... No, in 1881, they're:

Peter Cullen 30
Isabella Cullen 26 (born Black Hill c1855)
Bridget Cullen 8
Margret Cullen 6
Henry Cullen 4
Edward Cullen 1

-- but -- there's still no marriage.

And no Cullen births 1871-1891 in Lanchester registration district, where the children were supposedly born.


Strike two:

Marriages Sep 1871 (>99%)
Collen Peter Durham 10a 490
Crabb William Durham 10a 490
FAIRLESS Elizabeth Durham 10a 490
> SHANAN Isabella Durham 10a 490
> SHAVAN Isabella Durham 10a 490

Well, she wasn't actually born in Benfieldside.


Marriages Jun 1856
TURNER William Durham 10a 342
WOODMASS Ann Durham 10a 342


Births Mar 1854
Turner Isabella Gateshead 10a 412
Births Dec 1855
Turner Isabella Gateshead 10a 488
Births Sep 1857
Turner Isabella Sunderland 10a 437
Births Mar 1859
TURNER Isabella Stockton 10a 27

?

Births Sep 1856 ???
Turner Isabel Durham 10a 220

jax ... check your lookup thread.

I guess maybe Frances will be returning here some time ...

I just saw it JC was surprised to see it back up the top to be honest, thought the names looked familiar

jax

Hello Janey: You have the marriage of William Turner and Anne Woodmass and the Isabella born 1857 is the right one. I don't have a ful birthday for her. My Turner cousin in U,S.A. has the certificates and censuses which she received from a researcher in England. She knew from her mother that 2 girls did not go to the U.S.A. but didn't know their names. There was Williamb, 1864, Sarah Aliceb. 5 Apr. 1865 married Alfred Taylor, Jonathan b. 1 Nov. 1871, Kate b,1874, married Henry Mills, Cornelius John b. 7 May 1877,married Dora Trehern and Francis b. 1880 . I will look up a census tomorrow as it is getting late here and I am 81 years old. Thank you and the others who answered my query. Fran

Hi to all helpers:
I have a copy of the 1861 census for Iveston. Durham.
William Turner, head 29 Miner b. Scotland
Ann wife, 24 b. Alston
Isabella dau. 4 b. Durham, Benfieldside

1871 census Iveston, Durham
Willam Turner Head, 39 Coal miner, b. Scotland
Anne wife 33 b. Alston
Isabella dau. 14 scholar, b. Blackhill, Durham
William son 10 b. Leadgate
Elizabeth Ann dau. 8 b. Blackhill
Sarah Alice dau. 6 b. Blackhill
William S. Gardyme boarder 29 labourer, b. Dundee, Scotland

1881 census Ebchester, Durham
William Turner head 49 Coal miner b. Scotland
Anne wife 43 b. Alston
Jonathan son 9 b. Bendfieldside
Kate dau. 6 .Bosett, Durham
Cornelius son, 3, b. Consett, Durham
Francis son, 1 b.Consett, Durham

I looked in a book that my cousin had published and William took Cornelius who was 9 years old to the U.S.A. to check out for work before bringing the rest of the family there. With Cornelius being 9 years old it must have been 1886. I don't know the year that they actually moved there. William and Cornelius stayed with his son William (Billy) and his wife Isabel.
I hope this helps. Thank you for all the work you are doing. Fran

Well, I think my best advice is to order the marriage certificate for this Isabella:

Marriages Jun 1875
LAMMONBY Robert Lanchester 10a 512
Mullen George Lanchester 10a 512
Tindale Margaret Ann Lanchester 10a 512
Tindall Margaret Ann Lanchester 10a 512
> Turner Isabella Lanchester 10a 512

It's the only way to find out whether that is your Isabella or not, and if so, whom she married.

It could be that she travelled to the US with her husband, under his surname.


It looks like George married Margaret:

1881

Name: George Mullens
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Margaret Mullens
Where born: Ireland

Civil parish: Conside and Knitsley
County/Island: Durham
Registration district: Lanchester

with eldest child aged 5.


And I would say this is Robert 1881:

Name: Robert Lammonby
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1853
Relation: Cousin
Gender: Male
Where born: Newcastle On Tyne
Condition as to marriage: Married
Occupation: Joiner
Civil parish: Iveston
County/Island: Durham

or

Name: Robert S. Lammonby
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Relation: Visitor
Where born: Walbottle, Northumberland, England
Condition as to marriage: Married
Occupation: Iron Works Lab
Civil parish: Iveston
County/Island: Durham


and possibly wife Isabella?

Name: Isabella Lammonsby
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relation: Servant
Where born: Durham, England
Condition as to marriage: Unmarried
Civil parish: Bishopwearmouth
County/Island: Durham


No trace of them in 1901 or 1911 that I can find.


The Robert who is a joiner seems to be Robert Lamonby in Northumberland All Saints in 1891, a boarder, dob c1852, marked as single.


That's my best guess. If that is your Isabella marrying Robert Lammonby and she or they emigrated with her family or at least before 1890, they won't be findable at FindMyPast (I tried).

http://www.findmypast.co.uk/passengerListPersonSearchStart.action

I'm having no luck finding birth or death that is a good match for Robert Lammonby (or Lamonby) or matching him to family before 1875, and there isn't much point in sweating over it unless he did in fact marry your Isabella Turner.

So I'd be getting that certificate because it is the only way to know, and you need to know.

I went on some sites looking for marriages of both Robert Lammonby and Isabella Turner to each other and with someone else and got nowhere. Her name and her dad's are so common. My daughter and I are going to visit relatives that we haven't seen for years. We are leaving on Oct 4 and visiting relatives for 10 days. I will not be on for a few days before and after I get home.
Would I be better to buy credits and look for the marriage and then buy the certificate? I did buy a certificate a few years ago and it was the wrong one, not for Isabella.
Thank you for all the help and work you have done for me.
Fran

Frances, are you talking about paying to look for the marriage here at GR??

Absolutely not!

I gave you the link for FreeBMD right at the very beginning.

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

It's what it says: Free!


In any event, I *gave* you that possible marriage:

Marriages Jun 1875
LAMMONBY Robert Lanchester 10a 512
Mullen George Lanchester 10a 512
Tindale Margaret Ann Lanchester 10a 512
Tindall Margaret Ann Lanchester 10a 512
> Turner Isabella Lanchester 10a 512

All you can do is order the certificate (to check age, father's name and occupation ...) and cross your fingers.

Just in case you were thinking of paying some scam price for the certificate ;) -- you do it here:

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

Hi Janey. I did go on freebdm and only found Robert Lammonby married June 1875, Lancaster. volume 10a page 512 but I didn't find a wife.

Frances, it doesn't tell you the wife. You have to order the certificate to learn that.

See the list I posted? Did you not believe it? You would get the same list if you searched for Isabella Turner in the same place and year.

Those are the four people who appear on the same page. Two couples. No indication of which bride married which groom.

You get that list by clicking on the page number beside the person's name.

It says at the bottom of your search results:

"Found one partner in a marriage but now looking for the spouse?
Click here for more information."

And then it says:

"From 1912 onwards the marriage entries in the index give the surname of the spouse. Prior to that the surname of the spouse is not in the indexes and FreeBMD has no access to the records that contain this information. So, if you have found the entry for one partner of a marriage prior to 1912 there are two ways in which you can find information about the spouse:
* Obtain a marriage certificate from the GRO - see here for how to do that
* Search FreeBMD for potential spouses by looking for people on the same page of the register (see below)"

and so on.

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/marriage-help.html


However, I *did* go on to test who married whom, by looking for a George Mullen married to either an Isabella or a Margaret, in that area, in 1881.

I posted that information too.

I found a George and Margaret Mullens couple (allow for spelling mistakes ...) with a five-year-old child, that is, just the right age to be a child born after an 1875 marriage. I didn't find a George Mullen married to an Isabella, or a Robert Lammonby married to a Margaret.

But ***you need the marriage certificate*** to see what it says. You order it in Isabella Turner's name *only*, to see whom she married, and whether she seems to be your Isabella Turner.

I was surprised to see your answer so soon and so late.thank you. I will do that tomorrow. Fran

It isn't *that* late here in central Canada. ;) But it is 10:30, so I should be getting home for supper!

Be sure to report back when you get the certificate, and fingers crossed.

Hi Janey. Sorry tto be off here so long. I enjoyed the trip to Edmonton and Chilliwack but tired. I fell in the bathtub a couple weeks ago and nothing serious except painful. I have sent for the application and it should be here next week. I will get it off with a bank draft and give you an email as soon I get the certificate. Thank you so much for all the help. Fran