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I am trying to confirm the parents of :

Ada Lily Workman, born in Dursley, Gloucestershire..
Births Dec 1899
Workman Ada Lily Dursley 6a 279

I know that her father was Joseph Workman (a dentist and the son of a Weslyan Minister) - but I am not sure of her mothers name) - I dont have the cert yet.

Can someone please take a look for a marriage for Joseph.
( I have looked on Free BMD but cant see a marriage )

Also, if anyone has Ancestry or similar - could they please look for the 1901 /1911 census for these people .

I have Joseph at a dental school in London in 1901 - but cant find his wife & daughter........

This is Joseph:
1901 Census:
Joseph Workman Age: 27 Dental Student
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation: Boarder Gender: Male
Where born: Wales
Civil Parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: St Marylebone and St Thomas Portman Square
Josephs parents were : Joseph Workman & Mary Hosegood.

It is Josephs wife that I am particularly interested in finding.

Many thanks

Joseph 1911:

WORKMAN, Joseph Tenant M 37 1874 Dental Surgeon Mold Northwales VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
457 Reference:
RG14PN457 RG78PN15 RD5 SD2 ED25 SN560

Registration District:
St George Sub District:
Belgrave Enumeration District:
25 Parish:
St George Hanover Square

Address:
93 Charlwood St South Belgravia S W County:
London

1911


no mention of wife and child or whether single or married -



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WORKMAN, Joseph Tenant M 37 1874 Dental Surgeon Mold Northwales VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
457 Reference:
RG14PN457 RG78PN15 RD5 SD2 ED25 SN560

Registration District:
St George Sub District:
Belgrave Enumeration District:
25 Parish:
St George Hanover Square

Address:
93 Charlwood St South Belgravia S W County:
London

There is no MMN on the Glos bmd record of the birth, which may suggest that Ada was illegitimate

WORKMAN Ada Lily WORKMAN 1899 Stroud Dursley, Wotton-under-Edge 20 139

I'm looking at this as Wootton-under-edge comes under Dursley - just pondering as to whether a change in partner went on! But to be honest I would get her birth cert.

BECKERTON, William Head Married M 43 1868 General Farm Labourer Wotton on Edge Gloucestershire VIEW
BECKERTON, Sarah Ann Wife Married
14 years F 46 1865 Wotton on Edge Gloucestershire VIEW
WORKMAN, Honor Stepdaughter Single F 17 1894 Wotton Udner Edge Gloucestershire VIEW
BECKERTON, Ada Lily Daughter Single F 11 1900 School Wotton Udner Gloucestershire VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
32296 Reference:
RG14PN32296 RG78PN1852 RD589 SD3 ED4 SN156

Registration District:
Pontypridd Sub District:
Llantrisant Enumeration District:
4 Parish:
Llantrisant

Address:
Ponty Parc Near Pontyclun County:
Glamorganshire

Marriages Sep 1902 (>99%)
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Beckerton William Thornbury 6a 537
Workman Sarah Ann Thornbury 6a 537

Thank you so much everyone....

brummiejan
Thats definately Jospeh in 1911 in London - 'on his own'. aged 37

Flick
It would be quite common in 1899 not to show MMN, so at this moment, I believe still dont know Ada's mothers name


brummiejan

Thats a very interesting discovery......it may of course be a red herring - but it IS something else to follow up.
I need to find Sarah Anns name prior to her marriage to William Beckerton and perhaps take it from there.

I Appreciate everyones help - Ada was my dads mother ( dad now passed away, so I cant ask ) I really want to find out more about her parents
( without having to but too many certs if pos).......All I know is that Ada Workman always wore 'pearls' and dressed smart & her grandfather was a Minister of the church)......
Gill

Did you see the marriage found by Choccy? Sarah looks to be Sarah Workman. Solved I think.
Jan

Choccy

You beat me too it.....thank you.

So.. Sarah Ann Workman - is there a marriage of a Miss Sarah Ann ?
to a Mr ? Workman somewhere ??

Looking at the 'childrens' ages - I would guess a marriage around 1893??
as Honor was 17 in 1911

possibly not solved -


no sign of Honor or Ada -


1901

BECKERTON, William Head Married M 34 1867 Cowman On Farm
Wotton Under Edge
Gloucestershire VIEW
BECKERTON, Sarah Ann Wife Married F 34 1867
Wotton Under Edge
Gloucestershire VIEW

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RG number:
RG13 Piece:
2409 Folio:
20 Page:
1

Registration District:
Chipping Sodbury Sub District:
Hawkesbury Enumeration District:
2 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Henelm

Civil Parish:
Alderley Municipal Borough:
Address:
Grindstone Cottage, Alderley County:
Gloucestershire

You could have a search here:

www.freebmd.org.uk

This is just a slog so as well to do it yourself! As mentioned before, the most obvious thing is to get Ada'a birth cert. I suspect she is illegitimate but might be wrong.

Jan

1901

WORKMAN, Honor Pauper Inmate F 8 1893
Charfield
Gloucestershire VIEW

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RG number:
RG13 Piece:
2412 Folio:
143 Page:
4

Registration District:
Thornbury Sub District:
Thornbury Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:
Thornbury

Civil Parish:
Thornbury Municipal Borough:
Address:
Thornbury County:
Gloucestershire



Births Mar 1894 (>99%)
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Workman Honor Thornbury 6a 230

EDIT snap Choccy!

Actually, I thought this might be Honor:

1901 England Census

Name: Honor Workman
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1893
Relation: Pauper Inmate (Pauper)
Gender: Female
Where born: Charfield, Gloucestershire, England

Civil parish: Thornbury
Ecclesiastical parish: Thornbury
Town: Thornbury
County/Island: Gloucestershire

Registration district: Thornbury
Sub-registration district: Thornbury
ED, institution, or vessel: The Workhouse

lots of children -


1901

WORKMAN, Annie Pauper Inmate F 11 1890
Charfield
Gloucestershire VIEW

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RG number:
RG13 Piece:
2412 Folio:
143 Page:
4

Registration District:
Thornbury Sub District:
Thornbury Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:
Thornbury

Civil Parish:
Thornbury Municipal Borough:
Address:
Thornbury County:
Gloucestershire


WORKMAN, Gilbert Pauper Inmate M 13 1888
Charfield
Gloucestershire VIEW

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RG number:
RG13 Piece:
2412 Folio:
143 Page:
4

Registration District:
Thornbury Sub District:
Thornbury Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:
Thornbury

Civil Parish:
Thornbury Municipal Borough:
Address:
Thornbury County:
Gloucestershire


WORKMAN, John Pauper Inmate M 6 1895
Charfield
Gloucestershire VIEW

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RG number:
RG13 Piece:
2412 Folio:
143 Page:
4

Registration District:
Thornbury Sub District:
Thornbury Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:
Thornbury

Civil Parish:
Thornbury Municipal Borough:
Address:
Thornbury County:
Gloucestershire


WORKMAN, Lucy Pauper Inmate F 9 1892
Charfield
Gloucestershire VIEW

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RG number:
RG13 Piece:
2412 Folio:
143 Page:
4

Registration District:
Thornbury Sub District:
Thornbury Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:
Thornbury

Civil Parish:
Thornbury Municipal Borough:
Address:
Thornbury County:
Gloucestershire

1891 -


are we on wrong track here - Joseph is father (not a dentist!) -


WORKMAN, Joseph Head Married M 31 1860 Agricultural Laborer
Charfield
Gloucestershire VIEW
WORKMAN, Sarah Wife Married F 30 1861
Kingswood
Gloucestershire VIEW
WORKMAN, Gilbert Son M 2 1889
Charfield
Gloucestershire VIEW
WORKMAN, Annie Daughter F 0 (5M) 1891
Charfield
Gloucestershire VIEW

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RG number:
RG12 Piece:
2000 Folio:
53 Page:
8

Registration District:
Thornbury Sub District:
Berkeley Berkeley Enumeration District:
5 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Charfield

Civil Parish:
Charfield Municipal Borough:
Address:
The Hill, Charfield, Breadstone County:
Gloucestershire

Well, I go back to the original idea of getting her birth cert. I agree Choccy, we could be going completley wrong here. It's just to difficult to sort out otherwise.
Jan

HI Folks

I too think we may be on the wrong tracks here-

MY Joseph Workman is definately the dentist in London ( born in Mold, Wales)

Ada Lily Workman is the person that I am looking to find the parents of ( I believe Joseph is the dad)..........

Ada's grandad was born in Dursley - he was a Weslyan Minister and Ada co-incidently married in Dursley .

I think that the Beckertons could be a red herring - in that Sarah Ann may have been a 'Workman ' with a child - Honor - before their marriage - but, Ada Lily is clearly a Beckerton as she was born after their marriage.

Any one have any other ideas?

The 1911 might well be wrong, but if that 1902 marriage is correct she was born before the marriage. I have seen loads of cases where the marriage was recorded incorrectly on 1911 census. Not saying it's them, just pointing out that it's not necessarily truthful!

Are you resisting the idea of getting that birth cert?

Jan

Thanks for that ...its very true.

No, not really resisting - just trying to find out & filter out as much info as possible first.

Sometimes its possible to find the info you really need via an 'alternative' route ( ie playing detective )....but othertimes, you just have to 'give in' and get the cert.

as an example - I feel sure that if I could find Sarah Workmans 1st marriage......I would know whether or not she was MY Ada Lily Workmans mum.
If it turns out that Sarahs 1st marriage was not to someone called Joseph that we have the wrong people and I would need a cert to find Adas mum.

If however, Sarah married a Joseph Workman - in the right location, I would probably try to contact one of her decendents to confirm her indentify and to see that I have the right Ada as her daughter.

ps - Certs are so expensive - particulaly if you are in the early stages of identifying someone........

I really do appreciate everyones help here - this one does seem to have been a little more complex that I originally thought

Gill

Hi

I just had a thought............

Is it possible for someone to find in the 1901 census / probably Dursley area:

Ada Lily Workman who would have been just 1 or 2yrs old ?

It may be that she was staying with her grandparents ??

Thanks in adavance