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Could someone please help me locate a birthdate of my late grandfather Thomas Daniel Hardman. He died 9-3-1951, aged 62 in Leigh,Lancashire. His fathers name was Edward Hardman. I have got the deathcertificate of him and also the marriage certificate of 1917 to my grandmother Sarah Ann Mather. I cannot find him as yet on freebmd either.
Thank you!

Perhaps he added the Daniel later?

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Name: Thomas Hardman
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1889
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Edward Hardman
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Hardman
Gender: Male
Where born: Warrington, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Warrington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Warrington
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Warrington
Sub-registration district: Warrington
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 44
Household Members: Name Age
Edward Hardman 50
Elizabeth Hardman 54
Elizabeth Hardman 24
Mary Hardman 22
Ellen Hardman 20
Edward Hardman 14
Thomas Hardman 12


There are quite a few born in Warrington at that time if this is him

He could have been initially registered as Thomas Hardman.
Has jax found the correct family - If correct, only using Thomas on that census.

My grandmother had two completly different middle names on her marriage cert to what was on her birth cert.

jax

edit - Edward worked in an Ironworks if that helps

how about this one born Ireland

Name: Thos Daniel Hardman
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1889
Relation: Stepson
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland

Civil parish: Leigh
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Town: Leigh
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Leigh
Sub-registration district: Culcheth
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 276
Household Members: Name Age
Edward Murphy 24
Margaret Hardman 34
Mary Elizth Hardman 8
Thos Daniel Hardman 12


.ADDRESS Trafalgar street Leigh

So he was born in Ireland

jax

Thats what it says on the census

jax

The one I posted for 1901 living in trafalgar street Leigh

jax

It was no 60 Trafalgar street have you found him on the 1911 census?

jax

1911 census - household transcription
Person: BURKE, Margaret
Address: 60 Trafalgar St Leigh

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BURKE, Peter Head Married M 43 1868 Minen Dataller Leigh Lancs VIEW
BURKE, Margaret Wife Married
6 years F 42 1869 Card Room Cotton Leigh Lancs VIEW
HARDMAN, Thomas Daniel Stepson Single M 32 1879 Labourer Dublin Ireland Resident VIEW
HARDMAN, Mary Elizabeth Stepdaughter Single F 18 1893 Card Room Leigh Lancs VIEW
HURST, Alice Ann Niece Single F 13 1898 Card Room Leigh Lancs VIEW
HURST, Albert Nephew Single M 10 1901 School Leigh Lancs VIEW

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The age has been mistranscribed wrong as it is all smudged but it should be 1889

Have you read my note at the bottom? the origanal is smudged
Also very unlikely his mother gave birth when she was 10
jax

I cannot see him in 1891 so I expect they were living in Ireland at the time

jax

This could be Edwards death

Deaths Dec 1892 (>99%)
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Hardman Edward 24 Leigh 8c 167

Had to dig about a bit but I think this is his parents marriage they married after he was born so he may have been registered in his mothers name

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Marriages Sep 1891 (>99%)
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Hardman Edward Leigh 8c 385
Murphy Margaret Leigh 8c 885

well if he was living at 60 Trafalgar st in 1901 and 1911 and you have a certificate with the same address it must be him.

The two Hardmans are margarets children with Edward
The two Hursts are neice and nephew

jax

Alan, you may be under a bit of a misconception here -- when you say "your site" to jax.

jax and all the rest of us here are just paying members like tha'self, and we hang around the boards here to help other members with their puzzles. Some of us are very good at it -- way better than you'd get if you paid a "genealogist" -- jax included!

She seems to have hit the nail on the head, I think.

The marriage of the parents in the 1911 census:

Marriages Dec 1904
Burke Peter Leigh 8c 428
Hardman Margaret Leigh 8c 428


It would be a very good idea to get both of Margaret's marriage certificates. At least one of them should tell you what her status was when she married (single or widowed) and what her very first name, her birth surname, was.

It seems that Thomas was likely born Hardman, but we don't know whether Margaret was married when he was born.

So I think you may find that Thomas was born in Ireland with either the surname Murphy or Hardman

jax

As margaret was living with her brother in 1901 Murphy would be her maiden name.
Although the census says Thomas is stepson should say nephew

jax