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This is just a guess... but could this be the marriage for Adam Brown in Tynemouth.

Marriages Jun 1845
Brown Adam Tynemouth 25 456

Either:
Catherine Fenton
Marianne Hodgson
Helen Napier
Mary Wood

English marriage certificates record father's name.

You could try looking for an Adam Brown with one of the female christian names in the following census. Might help eliminate a possible Adam.

Hi Helen
Thanks once again for your interest.
In the 1841 and 1851 Censuses, the Adam Brown Shoemaker of Tynemouth is living with his sons Thomas, James and John and daughter Margaret and is recorded as being a widower which is why I am so interested in him. So the marriage you have highlighted is not with him.
In the same censuses, Adam is recorded as being 61 and 75 years old respectively. By the 1861 census he has died.
Colin

English death certs give very little info re the deceased's family. They give cause and place and date of death, and the informant's name.

This may be the Adam Brown mentioned in the above census … check out the rough birth year of children, Thomas and Margaret. See if they match up with those below.

Father: Adam Brown,
Mother: Margaret Atkinson

ADAM BROWN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 31 MAR 1839 Roman Catholic, Tynemouth, Northumberland, England

2. MARGARET BROWN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 02 MAR 1841 Little Bedford St, Tynemouth, Northumberland, England

3. WILLIAM BROWN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 02 DEC 1831 Roman Catholic, Tynemouth, Northumberland, England

4. THOMAS BROWN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 27 FEB 1835 Roman Catholic, Tynemouth, Northumberland, England

Can't find a marriage however, for Adam Brown and Margaret Atkinson ..


Quite unusual to have the mother's maiden name recorded on early English christening records. This is a wee bonus for anyone who can definitely verify a family connection. May not apply to you in this case.

Hi Helen
Thanks again
The family you have identified are too young if they were christened when babies. In the Censuses Thomas was b1813, James b1819, Margaret b1822 & John b1832
By the way, Adam Brown & Margaret Atkinson were married in Morpeth on 10 Apr 1824

Going back to the 1851 census in Scotland where Agnes is registered as a widow with two sons. One born c.1821 and the other born c.1823. Presumably they were the children of the (deceased) Adam Brown.

It would seem unlikely the Adam Brown found living in England in the 1841 and 51 census is one and the same Adam Brown from Scotland.

Given the fact Adam in England had children born around the same dates as those born in Scotland.

Hi All
Has anybody seen the birth record of Adam Brown who was born in Jedburgh in Nov 1777? Does it say his father was a shoemaker by any chance?
Colin

Colin, you do need to get yourself some basic grasp of some stuff.

You seem to assume that someone else has a a secret stash of records, or superhuman powers of deduction, or a magic wand.

People can do things to rule "possibles" in or out, as Helen did for that Robert, for instance, but so can you.

Why would people report inaccurate places of birth? They were born in one place but grew up in another, they were living somewhere distant from their origin and the census worker had no idea what they were talking about when they named their place of birth, someone assumed they were born in the same place as their spouse or child or parent or were born where they were living ... whim ... The fact is that it happened all the time.

English death certificates up to 1866 did not even show age, as a rule. Occasionally they gave some personal info -- for a very young child, the parents' names, for instance. The address of death is recorded, and the name of the informant of death may be an important clue, if it is a spouse or child, depending on what one is looking for. (I'm still trying to figure out who the complete stranger named as "grandmother" on my gr-grfather's niece's death certificate was.)


"Has anybody seen the birth record of Adam Brown who was born in Jedburgh in Nov 1777?"

Who would have seen it?? Unless someone spent their money to look at it, at ScotlandsPeople, presumably. Have you done that?

Really, nobody here is superhuman or clairvoyant, or hoarding secret information. Just asking somebody to find something for you, or prove or disprove a theory of yours, doesn't mean it's going to happen.

Hi Janey
My apologies. I will try to get a copy of Adam's birth record from Scotland's People myself
Thank you
Colin

Since the previous post, we have discovered that Adam was probably the son of Thomas Brown and Beatrix Kyle who married in Hawick on 24 July 1773. Thomas Brown was also a shoemaker in Hawick and a Burgess of the town. We think that around 1820 Adam Brown became partially paralysed and gave up shoemaking with his father in favour of his hobby of portrait painting. Some of his paintings are in Hawick Museum. Not long afterwards he left his "wife" Agnes and the town of Hawick for good and went to live in the North East of England where he met an Eleanor Longstaff in Alnwick with whom he had four further children. Adam continued making a living from portrait painting in Northumberland until he died of cholera in Newcastle upon Tyne in 1853.
If anyone knows something that might contradict the above, please reply.
Colin