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Hi everyone. I have previously asked for help in looking for my grandfather. I now have his birth and death certs. I was always in the belief that his name was William Patrick Joseph McNally D.O.B. 17-2-1908in Ashton under Lyne. I now know his birth name was William Joseph Nalley. On the birth cert his father is Patrick Joseph Nalley and his mother is Ellen Nalley formerly Morrissey. Could someone kindly do a 1911 census search for me as i am trying to find out their D.O.B.
Many thanks
Mark

Struggling with this one

What is the occupation of father Patrick on the birth cert?

i think it says labourer and cant make out what is written underneath it. looks like *****work???....maybe homework, housework??

Oh bother I was hoping it was something a bit better for searching on

I wonder?

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
census
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MORRISSEY, Ellen Head Widow F 45 1866 At Home VIEW
MORRISSEY, Mary Daughter Single F 20 1891 Gas Winder Ashton U Lyne Lancs VIEW
MORRISSEY, Katie Daughter Single F 15 1896 Winder Yorkshire Elland VIEW
MORRISSEY, Ada Daughter Single F 9 1902 School St Albans London VIEW
>>>>>>>>MORRISSEY, Willie Son Single M 3 1908 Ashton U Lyne Lancs VIEW
MORRISSEY, Ruth Daughter Single F 1 1910 Ashton U Lyne Lancs VIEW
MORRISSEY, Rose Granddaughter Single F 2 1909 Ashton U Lyne Lancs VIEW
NALLY, Patrict Lodger Single M 46 1865 Core Colliery Daballer Ireland Resident VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
24345 Reference:
RG14PN24345 RG78PN1396 RD468 SD3 ED6 SN289

Registration District:
Ashton Under Lyne Sub District:
Ashton Town Enumeration District:
6 Parish:
Ashton Under Lyne

Address:
316 Whitelands Road Ashton - Under - Lyne County:
Lancashire

Joy
My grandfather was born in 1908 at 102 cotton st ashton under lyne so i think i'll discount this info.
Thanks for searching
Mark

Can't find a marriage in England or Wales for those ^^^^. Perhaps they never actually married and Ellen assumed the Nalley name.

no, me neither. I had the same problem trying to find a marriage for my grandfather William Joseph and my grandmother Amy Tranter until i found that amy assumed my grandfathers surname

why discount it Mark???


it seems perfectly feasible


just they weren't married, at least at the time of the 1911!


They could also have moved in the 3 years after his birth


at the very least ........... keep it in case it turns out to be correct



One thing you will learn in this hobby is NEVER EVER discount anything!


and always be prepared for a surprise


sylvia

well solely on the info there that ellen is a widow and there is already a son (willie) born in 1908 which would coincide with my grandfather

Case in point

1911 for one of my lot.

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
census
image

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COUSINS, Cornelius Head Married M 40 1871 Boot Repaired Nottingham VIEW
COUSINS, Nellie Wife Married
11 years F 36 1875 Lace Hand Nottingham VIEW
COUSINS, Elise Daughter F 3 1908 Nottingham VIEW
COUSINS, Harold Son M 2 1909 Nottingham VIEW
COUSINS, Ivy Daughter F 0 (4 MONTHS) 1911 Nottingham VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
20518 Reference:
RG14PN20518 RG78PN1229 RD430 SD2 ED5 SN76

Registration District:
Nottingham Sub District:
Nottingham South East Enumeration District:
5 Parish:
Nottingham

Address:
12 Vassal Street Off Soutwell Road Nottingham County:
Nottinghamshire

Their marriage>

Marriages Jun 1914 (>99%)
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Jerram Nellie M Cousins Nottingham 7b 930

Births Dec 1909 (>99%)
Nally Ruth Ashton 8d 453

no doubt another morrissey nally child

No William Morrisey born c1908 Ashton under Lyme on FreeBMD. No Ruth Morrisey either, but there is.



Births Dec 1909 (>99%)
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Nally Ruth Ashton 8d 453

how can they have been married for 11 years in 1911 when it says their marriage was in 1914?
This has confused me

They told lies !

They're telling lies. They did so back then, on birth's as well as marriages. For example I know my Great-Grandmother was born illegitimately yet she gives herself a father at time of marriage, she had a rather unique surname. Another relative combines his step-father's first name with his own surname to give himself a father, he was also born illegitimate.

I have Howard Cousin's birth certificate which confirms his mother as Nellie Jerram. In 1901 Nellie is listed as Cornelious's "Housekeeper".

ah i see lindsey
so it is very feasible that patrick and ellen also told lies about who was who at this address and that she was a widow. Could it be that willie morrissey is actually william nalley and they have changed names to prevent too much info being given

Mark


If possible, I think more people lived common law back then than do now

........ divorce was almost impossible for an ordinary person to get because it was soooooo expensive, and the grounds for divorce were so limited.




We all have couples who lived together using the same name, but the marriage has never been found!



What we are saying about that 1911 census is that Willie Morrissey is YOUR grandfather, and it now looks as though he had a full sister Ruth


Ellen lied on the birth certificate, saying she was married, and had the name Nall(e)y ..... but just couldn't lie on the census!




sylvia

no, they have not changed their names!


they just were not married!



Your grandfather was registered under the name Nall(e)y .................. and I think is therefore legimately called that


BUT his mother and father were not married.



Just be grateful that you know who his father was .......... most of us do not know the names of the fathers of illegitimate children


I've discovered that one of my great aunts ahd at least 5 children, all raised by her mother, and no father's names known for any of them!




sylvia

thanks for the input Joy and Lyndsey. It's much clearer now. It's good to know i can learn more on here.
Thank you
Mark