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I have found a James Wall born c.1862 in Birmingham. Does he show up in the 1871 census with parents please?

Many thanks,
Frances

Name: James Wall???
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Sarah Wall
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmingham, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Bordesley
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Deritend
ED, institution, or vessel: 36
Household schedule number: 140
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah Wall 36 b Herefordshire Married
Charles Wall 3
Thomas Wall 12
James Wall 8
John Wall 30 - edit - this looks like a young chikd on the image
Daniel Elizabeth Gart 22 Lodger

Thank you Kay, that could be him. I will see if I can find a marriage for his parents.

I take it this isn't him in 1881?

1881 census transcription details for: 8, Latimer So Street, Marlborough Terrace, Birmingham
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11 Piece: 2975 Folio: 69 Page: 21

Reg. District: Birmingham Sub District: St Thomas
Parish: Birmingham Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 8, Latimer So Street, Marlborough Terrace, Birmingham
County: Warwickshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation ,
Disability Where Born
WALL, William Head Married M 49 1832 Brush Maker
WellsSomerset
WALL, Louisa Wife Married F 43 1838
WellsSomerset
WALL, Thomas Son Single M 22 1859 Brush Maker
BirminghamWarwickshire
WALL, James Son Single M 20 1861 Boot Finisher
BirminghamWarwickshire
WALL, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 18 1863 Press Girl (Boot)
BirminghamWarwickshire
WALL, William Son Single M 17 1864 Silver Smith
BirminghamWarwickshire
WALL, Jane Daughter Single F 15 1866 Press Girl
BirminghamWarwickshire
WALL, Albert Son Single M 8 1873 Scholar
BirminghamWarwickshire
WALL, Alice Daughter Single F 5 1876 Scholar
BirminghamWarwickshire
WALL, Charles Son Single M 2 1879
BirminghamWarwickshire

Frances - the image is appallingly faint and I think the John Wall aged 30 is actually another child

Kay

There's something wrong with that 1871 census. Why is 3 year old Charles listed before the others? Children are usually listed in order. Also when you look at the original John is also a son and he's also 3. There's also something written in the occupation column for 3 year old Charles but I can't make out what it says.

I think Charles age 3 is listed as a gardener

I think you're right, K, and I think this might be the same family:
1861 census
153 Moseley Rd., Aston, Birmingham
Charles Wall, head, 31, cab driver, born Worcester
Sarah, wife, 31, born Hereford
Charles, son, 9, born Birmingham
Sarah, dau, 7, born "
Thomas, son, 1, born "
Ann, mother, widow, 69, born Herefordshire

On the 71 census Sarah was born Hereford.

Good find - I have been trying all kind of combinations

I can't see Charles post 61 but this is 51 could be why he met Sarah in Herefordshire Edit - listed as a groom

Name: Charles Wall
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1830
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Worcester, Worcestershire, England

Civil Parish: Leominster
Town: Leominster
County/Island: Herefordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

View image

Registration district: Leominster
Sub-registration district: Leominster
ED, institution, or vessel: 7d
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age

Mary Jane Davies 26
Maria Davies 21
Sarah Davies 37
Susan Sassey 19
Charles Wall 21

Sorry to go missing for so long.

James Wall appears as a nephew in 1881 and I was hoping that finding him in 1871 might explain why he is a nephew?

1881 Census
John LLOYD
Head M Male 51 Birm, Warwick, England Engine Fitter
Hannah LLOYD
Wife M Female 52 Birm, Warwick, England
Bessey LLOYD
Dau Female 23 London, London, Middlesex, England Electroplate Burnisher
Edward LLOYD
Son Male 20 Birm, Warwick, England Printer
John LLOYD
Son Male 18 Birm, Warwick, England Silversmith
Walter J. LLOYD
Son Male 15 Birm, Warwick, England Silversmith
Kate LLOYD
Dau Female 11 Birm, Warwick, England Scholar
Samuel WALL
Nephew Male 18 Birm, Warwick, England Silversmith
Dwelling: 26 Lower Wilton Street, Erdington, Aston, Warwick

So was he actually Samuel James?


Name: Samuel James Wall
Year of Registration: 1862
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Birmingham (1837-1924)
County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 171

Hi K. I did see Samuel James being born at the right time but he is not carrying a second name in 1881. Also census ages can be remarkably changeabe over the decades!

Based on the 1881 cencus you posted you are looking for Samuel not James?

Yes K. The Lloyd family are my main interest but I am unable to pinpoint either John or Hannah and think the link to Samuel Wall might be the key.

1871 England Census
Name: Samuel S Wall [I think it is actually Samuel J on image.]
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: All Saints
ED, institution, or vessel: Birmingham Workhouse

1861 census for John Lloyd - his wife is Hannah on original -

1861

LLOYD, John Head Married M 31 1830 Engine Fitter
...
Staffordshire VIEW
LLOYD, Harriet Wife Married F 32 1829
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW
LLOYD, Ellen Daughter F 7 1854 Scholar
...
Staffordshire VIEW
LLOYD, Betsy Daughter F 3 1858
London... VIEW
LLOYD, Edward Son M 0 (11M) 1861
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG09 Piece:
2163 Folio:
46 Page:
28

Registration District:
Birmingham Sub District:
8 St George Enumeration District:
42 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Matthias

Civil Parish:
Birmingham Municipal Borough:
Birmingham Address:
Back Of 33, Brearley Street West, Birmingham County:
Warwickshire

That is just my luck Ozibird - unless you can see his parents in the workhouse as well - lol

1871 for John

Name: Johns Lloyd
Age: 41
Estimated birth year: abt 1830
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Hanna Lloyd
Gender: Male
Where born: Handsworth, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Silas
Town: Aston Manor
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Erdington
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 132
Household Members:
Name Age
Johns Lloyd 41
Hanna Lloyd 42
Ellen Lloyd 18
Betsy Lloyd 13
Edward Lloyd 11
John Lloyd 7
Walter Lloyd 5
Kate Lloyd 1

Thanks Choccy, that is the family and based on the ages of the children I have picked

Marriages Sep 1852
Lloyd John Kings Norton
6c 525

WEBB Hannah Kings Norton
6c 525

I found also
Marriages Sep 1860
Webb Emma Kings N
6c 631

Wall William Kings N
6c 631

as parents for Samuel Wall but needed th 1871 to prove my hunches.