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So the name Robert on her marriage cert could well be made up if she did'nt know who her father was?

Who are the witnesses on the cert?

jax

Wonder if Robert and John are the same person ?

Luton covers Finsbury ...


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Marriages Sep 1883 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

FULLER Mary Ann Luton 3b 756
Gibbard Robert John Luton 3b 756
INNS Othniel Luton 3b 756
TIBBETT Jane Luton 3b 756

Maybe she lied about her age..


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Births Jun 1888
GIBBARD Julia Kate - Chelmsford 4a 420

To be honest ,I've been looking at the Mary Fuller marriage and also a Mary Eaton .But it would only be guess work ,that is why I thought if I could get hold of the birth certificates they would have been done by Mary herself .I got my eye wiped because there is nothing on the middle childs certificate ( James) .So I was hoping for some luck on Julia's or even the 1911 census .But nothing doing .

That Julias parents were William and Eliza 22 yrs is a big lie though

jax

what do you mean Jax

It was in reply to the 1888 birth of Julia, not who your Julia's parents were I'm affraid

jax

I too had looked at that marriage and this is the 1891 for that family, but I really don't know if it connects?

1891 England Census
about Robert J Gibbard Name: Robert J Gibbard
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1886
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Luton, Bedfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Luton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Luton
County/Island: Bedfordshire
Country: England

Registration district: Luton
Sub-registration district: Luton
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Fullen 54 ...family should be FULLER!!
Ethilder Fullen 51
Mary A Fullen 29 ........mar. daug. GIBBARD on image - straw hat machinist
Robert Fullen 21
Ernest Fullen 15
Arthur Fullen 14
Elizabeth Fullen 13
Robert J Gibbard 5
Ethelder Fullen 27
Ethelder Shaw 3
Sarah Roe 86
Sophia Bone 63
George Abrahams 78
Ann Hiffinbottom 73
Rose Bland 10
Mary Ann Inns 80
Elizabeth Makins 11
Hannah Gregory 66
Maria Slough 77
Ann Wiley 67

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 1273; Folio 70; Page 16; GSU roll: 6096383

Dea x

So if Gibbard was julias mums maiden name as mentioned on James's birth cert how can Robert Gibbard be her father?

jax

I don't know , I just keep going round in circles .Maybe 2 gibbards married I just don't know .

As I said before the fathers name on the marriage cert could quite easly be made up, as it sounds better than "not known"

jax

Hi Kay, don't know if this helps but as far as I have found out Mary had a sisters ,Catherine born around 1862,she married Alfred Clay. They also had a daughter Julia born 1900.
Ellen br 1871 married Michael Sullivan.
Martha br 1872 ish married to Charles Simmons/Simmonds.
I also believe their mother to be Julia Gibbard formerly Monagin who was married to James Gibbard.
On their mother's ( Julia's ) death cert, it has Michael Sullivan, son- in -law as the informant address for him & Julia as 3 Museum Street, Bloomsbury.

Hope this helps,
Lori

1881 census :Poplar Place,
Julia Gibord born Ireland 1848
Kate Gibord born London 1866

This could be Julia Gibbard & her daughter Catherine( Kate ) although it says sister.

1891 census : Leather Lane, Saffron Hill
Julia Gibart Head : born 1851 Costermonger
Mary Gibart Daug : born 1871 Costermonger
Martha Gibart Daug : born 1878
John Gibart Son : born 1889

This could also be them & as it seems Mary was not married when she had her son John in 1889 maybe her mother passed him off as her son !!