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Hi there my Grandad was born at 324 Sharrow vale road in Sheffield on the 20 sept 1916.Emily Knowles, his mum named him George Maurice Knowles no father was put on there,She gave him to the Cawthornes in Barnsley who later adopted him around 1930?he was then George Maurice Cawthorne.He was adopted by Alfred Cawthorne and his wife .I would love to find his mums roots there are alot of unknowns .My Grandad died thinking is mother never loved him .Emily his mother was a dress maker.I hope someone could help me out .Please feel free to contact me as this is interesting for me and my mum who is Georges daughter.Thank you for your time with this matter .

this is the only one i can see so far
RUDD, Harriet Head Widow F 68 1843 Yorks Ripon VIEW
KNOWLES, Emily Visitor Single F 25 1886 Dressmaker Yorks Markington VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
25849 Reference:
RG14PN25849 RG78PN1494 RD487 SD2 ED2 SN113

Registration District:
Ripon Sub District:
Ripon Enumeration District:
2 Parish:
Ripon

Address:
2 Jones Court North St Ripon

Did Emily have any middle names?

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Name: George M Knowles
Mother's Maiden Surname: Knowles
Date of Registration: Oct Nov Dec 1916
Registration district: Ecclesall B
Registration county: Yorkshire
Volume Number: 9c
Page Number: 756 (click

Have you got this Birth Certificate.?

yes i have the birth certificate .she had my grandad on the 20th sept ay 324 sharrow vale road .but where did she go and how old was she at the time .we dont know anything else .thankyou for your reply it is apprecia6ted.xx

You could vist the Central Library in Sheffield to see who lived at that address

ie in 1925
JAMES C HOLMES (FITTER) lived there

Marriages Sep 1915
Holmes James C Raggett Ecclesall B. 9c 729
Raggett Ada M Holmes Ecclesall B. 9c 729


re late adoption, legal adoptions only became law in late 1920's

It is possible that Emily paid for the Cawthorne's to look after him & they kept her up to date with his progress.
Then asked her permission for his adoption because she now had a family of her own.

The above is based on my own family situation. <<<<<<<<<<

So I would start at that address & see if there is a link
BUT she could just have been a lodger but would a family allow a stranger to give birth there ???

SEE WHO LIVED THERE IN 1916 <<<<<<<<<

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thankyou for your kind reply.i will definitely visit the centrel library .the cawthornes did noy adopt him until around his age of 16 ?which would have been 1930/32 ish .alfred and florence cawthorne were his adopted parents .thankyou for your information xx

emily was not married at the time of my grandads birth and his father was never mentioned on the certificate.

1911 census - address transcription
Address: 324 Sharrow Vale Road Sheffield

Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

YATES, Alfred Head Married M 49 1862 Table Knife Hafter Yorkshire Sheffield
YATES, Jane Wife Married 29 years F 50 1861 Yorkshire Sheffield
YATES, John Thomas Son Single M 25 1886 Table Knife Hafter Yorkshire Sheffield
YATES, Jane Daughter Single F 22 1889 Tailoress Yorkshire Sheffield
YATES, Frederick Son Single M 19 1892 Brass Turner Yorkshire Sheffield
YATES, Alfred Son Single M 17 1894 Table Kinfe Hafter Yorkshire Sheffield

using tempest data

Marriages Sep 1881
FOSTER Jane Sheffield 9c 639
YATES Alfred Sheffield 9c 639

they were there also in 1901

PERHAPS Emily was a friend of the daughter Jane who was also a Tailoress.

Births Mar 1889
Yates Jane Ecclesall B 9c 382

Marriages Dec 1914
Yates Jane Ward Ecclesall B. 9c 679
Ward Philip C E Yates Ecclesall B. 9c 679


If Emily had nowhere else to go, they may have kindly helped
Sadly no NHS in those days, you had to have money to have a midwife/doctor.


ps re my family, it came about that, like now, you need a birth certificate to prove you are old enough to work ( in your Grandad's day it was 14 )
because there was no birth certificate under the surname the person was using ( the foster family's ) they had to tell him he was not their natural son !!

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Hi Beverley,
I remember reading on here a while ago that the occupation of dressmaker in those days very often meant that she was in fact a 'Lady of the Night' to put it tactfully! Hopefully I'm wrong, but it may be worth keeping in mind! Hope I haven't offended you with this suggestion - I can assure you that I ( and prob most people ) have found far worse in their background!

Regards Sue

thankyou sue.I did wonder wether this could be the situation myself.i know you didnt mean any harm you were trying to help me with my search love x.

But if as hinted re Emily, a respectable family would NOT have allowed her to give birth in their home !!!

Sharrow Vale Road may be terraced houses but in 1916 it was respectable & the tenants were above working class ie grocers bakers etc.

I have never heard of such a thing, remember most single girls did not put an occupation on the certificate.
Odds are, she supported herself working as a dressmaker which is one of the few occupations a girl could do, as the education in those dates was just basic.as the leaving age was 12.

The other thing you could consider is the father was killed in WW1 as many thousands from Sheffield were.


SCHOOL LEAVING AGE
1870:First compulsory school for younger children
1880: Attendance officers enforce school for 5 to 10 year olds
1899: Leaving age raised to 12
1918: Full-time education compulsory up to 14
1944: Education Act raises leaving age to 15
1964: Raising of school leaving age to 16 announced, but not in place until 1972

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thankyou for your information fairthorn .it is very appreciated.i would have thought she was there at some point for a reason not just to give birth .i think maybe a relative of some kind i will look in the sheffield office to see if there is a link .thanks again love x

copied from Beverleys other thread

hi there i do think that the emily knowles from markington in ripon 1886 is my great grandmother.but from the age of 8 she as been known only as boarder or visitor.why cant i locate her family.i have tried and tried but i am getting no where.i do no that in 1916a william dalby lived at 324 sharrow vale road i cant see if he is a relation.but it does seam that there were lot of knowles on the street where she was .in 1917 william fraser and beatrice mary slinn where at the house.i cant find if they were a relation.what do you suggest i do now.please get in touch.i would not ask but this is getting very frustrating.

Could this be her birth

Births Dec 1881 (>99%)
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KNOWLES Emily Ripon 9a 71

1891
Name: Emily Knowles
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1883
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Female
Where born: Markington, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Ripon
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Ripon
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England


Registration district: Ripon
Sub-registration district: Ripon
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Carver 63
Elizabeth H Carver 31 >>>Elizabeth H Benson
John Benson 10
Mary E Benson 7
Emily Knowles 8




1901

Name: Emily Knowles
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1882
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Female
Where born: Ripon, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Ripon
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England


Registration district: Ripon
Sub-registration district: Ripon
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 216
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Carver 72
John Benson 21
Emily Knowles 19

i think your right but why is she a boarder ? did she no the bensons.hwe mother i believe is still alive .i think they might have been robert henry and jane ann knowles.but why isnt she with them .thanks for the look up .i do appreciate it.

If you think that could be her birth cert maybe an idea to purchase it to see who her parents were

Where did you get those names from?

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POSSIBLE

1911 census
KNOWLES EMILY 1883 28 Ecclesall Bierlow Yorkshire West Riding



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That Emily is married Fairthorn so it is not her

The 1911 census that Lindsey gave matches the place of birth but is 4 years younger for some reason

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