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I wonder if anyone can help me in tracing where my grandfather (above) was born.
There is a John Campbell mentioned on the 1901 census born 1888 in Birmingham and on the 1911 census a John Cambell residing as a lodger also born in Birmingham
I have looked at the birth indexes for both years of 1888 and 1889 (which i am lead to believe he was born in either year) but nothing has turned up
I am lead to think he was probably born elsewhere.
The only info about him is that his father was Hugh,, and he had a brother called Lawrence.
Diane

When did he marry and to who? Do you have the marriage cert if so what is his occupation any witnesses you could tell us about address he was living at ect

jax

Here is a Lawrence Campbell with a father called Hugo

1891 England Census
about Lawrence Campbell Name: Lawrence Campbell
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1884
Relation: Son
Father's name: Hugo Campbell
Mother's name: Ellen Campbell
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmingham

Civil Parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude
Town: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St Thomas
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Catherine Campbell 70 ....born Ireland - mother of Hugo snr
Hugo Campbell 34.... born Leeds, occupation labourer
Ellen Campbell 33.... born Birmingham
Lawrence Campbell 7.... born Birmingham
Hugo Campbell 5 ....born Birmingham

Jax. My grandfather was married on April 4th 1915 at St.Annes Church, Aston, B.ham, to Minnie Grace. He was a case hardener, & lived in Gt. Ffrancis street, b.ham.
Witnesses were (looks like), Ellen Louisa Rhydes, William George Malbut

What was the name and occupation of John's father from the marriage certificate Diane?

Cherry Blossom, Johns father was Hugh (deceased) & he was a paver.

This is likely to be the death of his father

Deaths Dec 1913
Campbell Hugh 48 Birmingham 6d 343

And his father in 1911


CAMPBELL, Hugh Lodger Widower M 56 1855 Pavior Road Warwckshire Bimm

RG number:
RG14 Piece:
18147 Reference:
RG14PN18147 RD384 SD4 ED53 SN9999

Registration District:
Birmingham Sub District:
St Martin Enumeration District:
53 Parish:
Birmingham

Address:
1 New Bartholomew Street Birmingham

and 1901 - giving place of birth as Wolverhampton

1901 England Census
about Hugh Campbell Name: Hugh Campbell
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Wolverhampton

Civil Parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Bartholomew
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England


Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 53
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 135
Household Members: Name Age
Hugh Campbell 38 - paviour (road labour) interestingly listed as single
Mary Carlow 37
Maggie Carlow 11

So that fills in all the census returns and there isn't a John Campbell living with him.

Is there a house number on Great Francis Street? - It has ever such a lot of houses !!!

Dea x

Here is Hugo/Hugh in 1901 I think

1901 England Census
about Hugh Campbell Name: Hugh Campbell
Age: 16
Estimated birth year: abt 1885
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmingham

Civil Parish: Ramsgate
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Thanet
Sub-registration district: Ramsgate
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 69
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Hughes 76
Catherine Hughes 46
Julia Hughes 42
Ben Hughes 40
Hugh Campbell 16

I can't read the occupation properly but it looks like assistant road - and then I can't read the rest.

Are you sure he was born in Birmingham as this sounds ever so Scottish to me ??

Dea x

Cherry Blossom, it had crossed my mind. The mystery is why

Dea . House no on Gt francis st was 2c 8H

Dea. I was always lead to believe he was born in B.ham, & also told they were orginally from scotland.

I did wonder whether Hugh/Hugh and John were the same person but then I found the John Campbell in the childrens home in 1901 born in Birmingham.

As Hugh snr has listed himself as single in 1901 I wonder whether Ellen has either died or perhaps they have split up and therefore John has been put into a childrens home.

That doesn't explain why we can't find the birth registration though.

Cherry Blossom. I wonder if looking on church registers would help.

The IGI used to have some Warwickshire records but I've had a look and can't seem to find them.

What would be interesting would be to see if you could find records of the Children's Home from the 1901 census and see if the parents of that John Campbell are mentioned.

Thanks Diane but unfortunately, the address on marriage cert does not throw up anything useful on 1911..

Sorry,

Dea x

I contacted the home, but they have no records. I think i will go through all the john campbells on the 1901/1911 censuses, but i think maybe that Hugh was his orginal name, but changed it for reasons unknown.
Thank you for your help

thanks for all your help

Have you tracked the rest of the family? I can't seem to find Lawrence after the 1891 census.

I can't find a birth registration for Lawrence Campbell but there is a registration for Male Campbell in Birmingham registration district in 1884 so perhaps that's him. But then I can't see him in either 1901 or 1911.

How did you make the link between Lawrence and John?

I do know how frustrating this must be for you. I had similar problems with a 2x gt grandmother Charlotte who I finally tracked down after a couple of years. Turns out she had been registered as Maria but married under the name Charlotte and didn't appear on any census under either Maria or Charlotte with her parents. In 1881 she was Eliza (I have no idea why!!) with parents, 1891 in an orphanage (both parents dead by then) as Maria and I still can't find her in 1901.

Do you know if any of the boys were in the military? That's how I made the link with my family - through the military records of one of the witnesses at the marriage who had the same name as the father named on the marriage certificate. He turned out to be her brother.

I have to go off and get some cleaning done and cook supper.

Good luck.