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Hi,i'm trying to trace the parents and siblings of george bevans born 1861 barkfield,married elizabeth wilson born 1863,they married in 1881/2
this is all i have on george my g/grandfather

my grandfather is james robert bevans born 1891 westham?
his siblings
john 1882
george1882
bill1884
flossie?1888
maryann1890
robert 1894
jimmy 1898,my grandfather,married ada nusome,jimmy lost a leg in the war
jessie 1900,boxer out of bethnal green,who may have won lonsdale belts
edward 1904
records say 12 chilren born, 9 still living

my father,arthur george bevans,1930 westham married eileen kathleen george born 1933,my fathers siblings are,

james/jimmy 1922 westham,married hazel,sure jimmy was a desert rat,then an aneasthetist

johnny bevans westham born ?
elizabeth "
ada "
ethel "
dave "

we move back to S.wales from barnet in 1973/4
was always told the family came from pembrokeshire,so hopefully will find the parents and sibling and any other family of my great grandfather,many thanks,take care,Rob C Bevans.

For reference is this the family?

Name: George Bevens
Age: 41
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizabeth Bevens
Gender: Male
Where born: Cannington, Essex, England

Civil Parish: West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: Canning Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 40
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 241
Household Members:
Name Age
George Bevens 41
Elizabeth Bevens 39
Mary A Bevens 11
Robert Bevens 6
James Bevens 3
Jesse Bevens 6 Months

Catherine

Hi Catherine,i believe this to be the correct family,with a mispelt surname,thankyou very much for your help,very much appreciated,i'm still finding my way !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol, so many thanks,take care,Rob.

Just for the record, because spelling does count:

Marriages Dec 1919
Bevans James R Newsom W. Ham 4a 463
Newsom Ada C Bevans W.Ham 4a 463

(Not Nusome)

You can find their children's births at FreeBMD

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

if you search for

surname: Bevans
mother's surname: Newsom

... oops, only Ada R is transcribed so far. ... No, that's not the problem -- the problem is that you aren't the only one with a spelling problem!

There are Bevans births in West Ham 1920 to 1938 (and possibly two in Barnet 1940 and 1943) -- but the mother's name is spelled, variously,

Newsome
Newson
Newsum

so search at FreeBMD using

News*

as the mother's surname and you will find the 8 births in West Ham -- I won't copy them here because some of the children may be living -- in case you want the full details of your dad's siblings (some of whom may have died in childhood, of course).

Where is Barkfield? I am struggling to find your George Bevans prior to 1901 census. Do you have any other relevant information - like where he was born? Although it states in the 1901 Cannington I can't see anything prior to this.

Catherine

To trace George's siblings forward, it would be best to start at FreeBMD to get their full names from their birth records.

Then you can search there for marriages that match them ... and search for children's births to go with the marriages ...

And remember, spelling does count, for instance:

Births Dec 1900
Bevans Jesse W. Ham 4a 181

Marriages Dec 1924
Bevans Jesse Woolf W.Ham 4a 375
Woolf Mary A Bevans W.Ham 4a 375


Because I searched for any record, any time, for the name Jesse Bevans, it also found the birth and death of his son Jesse, 1930/32. But searching for Bevans births with mother Woolf gets you several others as well (again, possibly living, so I won't post them here).

Then when you've got some names and birthdates gathered, you can try the Search Trees button up to to see whether anyone has those people in their tree here at GR.


But what you're looking for is ancestors, actually ... so you need James Robert Bevans's parents' marriagecertificate, to get their ages and their fathers' names, or starters.

"george bevans born 1861 barkfield,married elizabeth wilson born 1863,they married in 1881/2"

That's a guess?

No such marriage, unfortunately. Do you have her name from James's birth certificate?

Thank you everyone..

Really appreciate the feedback - All I could find about George Bevans I have posted.

Cannington --possibly Canning town?? area as I know there are definite lonks in my family to Canning Town West Ham/Camberwell.

Thank you for all your help I will post more as I find it

I have personal documents of Ada Newsom all spelt in different ways.

Cheers :-)

Catherine, the only Barkfield google is finding me in the UK is Barkfield Lane in Liverpool. ;)

I'm from the West Ham area is cannington Canning Town? never heard of Barkfield or is it Barking?

jax

Ok Camberwell:
1861

Name: George E Bevans
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Relation: Son
Father's name: George E Bevans
Mother's name: Frances Bevans
Gender: Male
Where born: London, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Camberwell
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: Peckham
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 26
Household Members:
Name Age
George E Bevans 28
Frances Bevans 30
Edward S S Bevans 7
Marianne E Bevans 5
George E Bevans 3
Alfred H Bevans 1
Maria E Bevans 21
Jane Martin 17

Going to retire for the night, this may or may not be the right George.

Catherine

I just assumed that to be Canning Town.


Interesting coincidence in 1891, in Chingford, Essex:

George E S Bevans 33 - born London, Surrey
Phillippa M Bevans 34
Ernest L Bevans 5
Elizabeth Newson 26 - servant


but the 1891 George is an Underwriter, while the 1901 one, who seems to be correct, is a Lighterman (Barge).


Aha, here is Catherine's 1861 George:

Births Dec 1857
Bevans George Ernest Camberwell 1d 455


But no, that's the other George -- in 1881 he is an insurance clerk in Camberwell:

George E. L. Bevans 48
Frances Bevans 50
George E. L. Bevans 23
Edward S.T. Bevans 27
Marianne E. Bevans 25
Alfred H. Bevans 21
William H. Bevans 18
Eleanor Bevans 15
Ethel M. Bevans 12
Herbert J.N. Marshall 19

thanks to all for the feedback,got plenty to sleep on for tonight lol,so it's bed for me,hopefully catch up tom',many,many thanks,Rob x.

Hi all,just a quick update ,George Bevans 1861 barkfield Ex,guessing Ex stands for Essex,and it should be barking,thanks jex.
Checking on the marriage of George to Elizabeth wilson,

marriage of james robert bevans to ada caroline newsom
married st lukes church westham,victoria docks,november 23th 1919
james 22yrs
ada 18yrs

fathers

george bevans,3 menton st, labourer
william richard newsom,37 shirley st, labourer

i know from chatting to family members james an ada moved to shirley st once married,thats about it for now,hope it helps,take care Rob.

Quick update,james robert bevans son,

james bevans my uncle,born 1925/?

married hazel?, 1951/52?

they had four children,
i do know who the children are,but would prefer pm,

hope this helps,take care Rob.

Still having trouble finding George Bevans (Bevens)
- parents and siblings

If anyone can help it would be much appreciated!!!

What is it you are trying to find? there has been a lot of info given already, not sure if it is what you are looking for

jax

Hi jax,many many thanks for your previous input,what i'm after are the parents and siblings of George Bevans/Bevens family,previously posted 1861 canning town/westham area, i sure there are things i'm overlooking being new to all this,need a fresh pair of eyes,lol,but i'll keep plugging away,
would i be right in thinking Newham records office,would be the place to contact with reguards to what i'm looking for,
Any pointers would be greatly appreciated,many thanks Rob.

Sending Robert the Bevans-News* births from FreeBMD and Ancestry and the Bevans-Woolf births ... and suggesting he take out a 14-day free trial sub at Ancestry to do more searching for all these people!

But first, exhaust what you might be able to find at FreeBMD.


This is the marriage for the 1861 household:

Marriages Sep 1852
BEVANS George Edward Pancras 1b 23
Jones Frances Pancras 1b 23

but I'm thinking the 3-yr-old George in that household is still the wrong one, the one I tracked in later years.


So many things about this family just don't add up!

Can you please explain where the name Elizabeth *Wilson* comes from?

"parents and siblings of george bevans born 1861 barkfield, married elizabeth wilson born 1863,they married in 1881/2"

There's no such marriage, and I can't find such a couple in 1891.

I can't find the birth of a Mary A Bev* to fit 1889-1891 (she is 11 in 1901).

I'm suspecting that she, at least, was a child of Elizabeth's before she married / partnered with George.

There's this birth ...

Births Mar 1889
Wilson Mary Ann W. Ham 4a 32

There's no marriage of a George Bev* to an Elizabeth Wilson (barring transcription errors) 1875-1911.


We have to figure out who George Bevans was before we can identify and try to trace his siblings. ;)

Ah, the spellings. ;)

Births Jun 1898
Bevins James Robert W. Ham 4a 150


The household in 1911 in West Ham

BEVANS GEORGE 1861
BEVANS LIZZIE 1863
BEVANS JESSIE 1900
BEVANS JIMMY 1898
BEVANS EDWARD

from OP: "records say 12 chilren born, 9 still living"
and you give this list:

john 1882
george1882
bill1884
flossie?1888
maryann1890
robert 1894
jimmy 1898
jessie 1900
edward 1904


Robert, what is George's occupation in 1911?

And can you say where that list of children came from?

(and don't forget: where does the name Wilson for Elizabeth come from?)


The 1901 census has

George Bevens 41
Elizabeth Bevens 39
Mary A Bevens 11
Robert Bevens 6
James Bevens 3
Jesse Bevens 6 Months

and I can't find them in 1891 ...