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John Wales born c1899. Father William Wales. Lived in Bermondsey in 1921. Unable to find birth cert for my Grandfather John Wales.

Was John born in Bermondsey too

Have you got a marriage certificate with occupations or any further information?
Any middle names?

Presumably this marriage:
Marriages Mar 1921
Baldwin Dorothy M Wales St.Olave 1d 371
Wales John Baldwin St.Olave 1d 371

Thanks

Is this him???

1911 census - household transcription
Person: WALES, John
Address: 26 Belfour St Battersea

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Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
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WALES, William Head Married
25 years M 58 1853 Gas Stoker Crayford VIEW
WALES, Lizabeth Wife Married F 28 1883 New Market Cork VIEW
WALES, Mary Daughter Single F 18 1893 Ironer London Battersea VIEW
WALES, John Son Single M 13 1898 School London Battersea VIEW
CRANE, Michael Boarder Single M 28 1883 Carman London Battersea VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
2167 Reference:
RG14PN2167 RG78PN74 RD26 SD1 ED24 SN290

Registration District:
Wandsworth Sub District:
East Battersea Enumeration District:
24 Parish:
Battersea

Address:
26 Belfour St Battersea County:
London



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1901 census to go with **Ann**'s 1911 census;

1901 England Census
about John Wells
Name: John Wells
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1898
Relation: Son
Father's name: William J Wells
Mother's name: Elizth Wells
Gender: Male
Where born: Battersea

Civil Parish: Battersea
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: Woodgate Street

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub-registration district: East Battersea
ED, institution, or vessel: 29
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 379
Household Members: Name Age
William J Wells 38 >>> Bargeman, born Crayford, Kent
Elizth Wells 36 >>> Born Ireland
Mary Wells 8
John Wells 3



Dee x

Do you know when was your Grandfather's birthday, approximate time of year even?
Or, when did he die and where?
Thanks

William T. Wale

England and Wales Census, 1881
birth: 1866 — Bermondsey, Surrey, England
residence: Bermondsey, Surrey, England

record title: England and Wales Census, 1881
name: William T. Wale
age: 15
gender: Male
birth year: 1866
birthplace: Bermondsey, Surrey, England
relationship to head of household: Son
profession / occupation: Clerk B S C Railway
address: 96 Alderminster Rd
census place: Bermondsey, Surrey, England
record type: Household
family history library film: 1341130
the national archives reference: RG11
piece / folio: 0570 / 92
page number:

There is a tree on Ancestry which shows the marriage cert of John Wales to Dorothy Baldwin..(Dorothy died in 1925 and John Wales died in 1965 after a remarriage)
And this is given


John Wales father is given as William Wales ...General Labourer.

Witnesses are from Dorothys family.

John says he was aged 22 on it in 1921.


Going on Dee,s find on 1901 and ***Ann***s 1911 it may be that there was a change of name sometime between 1901 and 1911..(It happens)..and this may be John Wales / Wells birth?


Births Mar 1897
Wells John Wandsworth 1d 701

There are discrepencies with Williams age on 1911 and 1901 as well...So maybe John was not too sure of his birth year?

This is what the tree says for John Wales

Birth Dec 1899 in England Death June 1965 in South Western Hosp., Stockwell, Lambeth, Greater London, Surrey, England,

Yes that is my Grandad. It's my tree. I have his marriage certs. I just cannot find a birth cert. or even a place of birth. I am at a family funeral on 16th Feb. I will talk to my Grandads eldest surviving Son Robert to try to get a correct birthday. My Grandad had 2 Sisters Older Elizabeth & Lilian and one brother Robert.

Hi Kathleen,

Do you know who your Grandfathers sisters ( Elizabeth and Lilian) married?

Was Robert older or younger than his brother John?


Dee x

There are 4 trees on Ancestry with him in and 2 give Leeds as his birth place??One with his first wife and one with his second...Are all 4 trees yours Kathleen?

Name: John William Wales
Birth: June 1899 (Jun 1899) - Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Death: June 1965 (Jun 1965) - London
Marriage: 13 Mar 1921 - Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Parents: William A Wales
Spouse: Dorothy May Philidelpia Baldwin


Name: John Wales
Birth: 1899 - Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Death: 1965 - Stockwell, England
Marriage: 13 Mar 1921 - Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Parents: William Wales
Spouse: Rhoda Georgina Hobbs

I have one tree with my Grandad on it. His name was only John (not William) Wales. I have not been able to verify where he was born. His sister Elizabeth was about 10 years older. She married in WW1 to a seaman who was killed in the war. They had one son who also went in the navy and was killed in WW2. Aunt Elizabeth lived in a flat in London and later went into a home for the blind (this would be in the 1050's) possibly in Essex. She died in Whipps Cross Hospital of Hodkinsons disease possibly late 1950's. My Uncle said Lilian (or Lilie) emigrated to Australia after WW2. Do not know if she was married. She had lived in Kingston on Thames at one time. Brother Robert (do not know if he was married) lived in Peckham. Lost his legs in motor bike accident. Do not know when he died. Have just phoned my Uncle Bob (john Wales's son) and he said his Father was not born in Leeds. He thinks his birthday was 21st December. Uncle Bob is over 80 and his memory is not so sharp now) My Grandad was married twice, having been widowed at 26.

Hi Kath,

I wonder about this;


Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
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Births Jun 1888 (>99%)
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WALES Elizabeth Jane Mile End 1c 472



Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
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Marriages Dec 1915 (>99%)
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Lawrence Thomas A Wales Bethnal G. 1c 560
Wales Elizabeth J Lawrence Bethnal G. 1c 560



England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Elizabeth Jane Lawrence
Name: Elizabeth Jane Lawrence
Birth Date: 24 Apr 1888
Death Registration Month/Year: 1971
Registration district: Colchester
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 1681



Does the surname Lawrence ring a bell??



Dee x

Any ideas about what years Robert and Lilian might have been born please?

Elizabeth died before 1962 because that was when my Father (John William Harry Wales) died. His Aunt died a good few years before that. Her husband was killed in WW1. She never remarried.

I am guessing Lilian & Robert were born in the 1890's

So you think they were older than John ?

If only you knew Elizabeths married name,that would be the break through point we need here I think.....

Any chance Uncle Bob could remember it please?

No - I spoke to him yesterday - we thought it might begin with H. I said was it Higgins as I had heard it somewhere but probably relating to someone else and my Uncle said Yes I think it was. He has not got a very good memory now so it's difficult. I don't think it was Higgins as I have looked into that in previous years.
I think all the family must have been London based because My Grandad had a London accent and Aunt Elizabeth had no regional accent. I am just looking up the war years marriages and there is one I have just seen Oct.Nov.Dec 1914 Elizabeth J Wales to Hopkins in Croydon. Will try out the name Hopkins on my Uncle & Mum and see if it rings any bells.

I have alredy checked that one out against WW1 deaths and and I dont think there are any under Naval deaths to suit him.

1 HOPKINS , JAMES Assistant Steward 919843 13/12/1917 44 Mercantile Marine Reserve United Kingdom H. 89. DOUGLAS CEMETERY (ISLE of MAN)
2 HOPKINS , JOSEPH Private CH/2060(S) 26/10/1917 30 Royal Marine Light Infantry United Kingdom Panel 1 and 162A. TYNE COT MEMORIAL
3 HOPKINS , JOHN Able Seaman Wales Z/2852 31/05/1916 20 Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve United Kingdom 19. PLYMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL
4 HOPKINS , JOSEPH Leading Seaman 121489 15/12/1917 50 Royal Navy United Kingdom Naval. 27. 1417. GILLINGHAM (WOODLANDS) CEMETERY
5 HOPKINS , JOHN THOMAS Private CH/2209(S) 26/10/1917 Unknown Royal Marine Light Infantry United Kingdom Panel 1 and 162A. TYNE COT MEMORIAL
6 HOPKINSON , JAMES LESLIE Engine Room Artificer 2nd Class Sussex 3/211

I have clicked on all to double check.
I have also searched the site for every possible death of all Elizabeth Wales possible spouses between 1913 and 1919 under the Naval deaths and found nothing that looks like it could be her husband..

But maybe I missed something...

Waves to Dee~~~~~~~~(BatMansDaughter)

Thank you so much for looking anyway. We would not be able to find their son either without a surname, He must have been born during WW1 if his father was killed. The free BMD doesn't give a Mother's maiden name.
I will keep looking hopefully

Kathleen,
You can search free bmd by births of Mothers' maiden names during WW1.
There is a Hopkins, but a daughter.