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1841 England Census
about James Upsdell Name: James Upsdell
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Gender: Male
Where born: Surrey, England

Civil parish: St Giles Camberwell
Hundred: Brixton (Eastern Division)
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: Camberwell
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Abraham Upsdell 25
James Upsdell 7
Emily Upsdell 23
Banny Upsdell 5

1881 England Census
about B. J. Morez Name: B. J. Morez
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: E. S. Morez
Gender: Male
Where born: Camberwell

Civil parish: Camberwell
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 188 Neate St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Carman

Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
B. J. Morez 24
E. S. Morez 25
E. S. A. Morez 1 month************

I think you need to buy Elizabeth's birth cert to find out who her mother was as I think she may be the daughter of Sarah Ann Upsdell base born.

YES


1871 England Census
about Elizabeth Ransom Name: Elizabeth Ransom
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Deanie Ransom
Mother's Name: Sarah A Ransom
Gender: Female
Where born: Peckham, Surrey, England
Civil parish: Camberwell St Giles
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Household schedule number: 266
Household Members: Name Age
Deanie Ransom 27
Sarah A Ransom 35
Elizabeth Ransom 14 1857*******************
Mary A S Ransom 5
Emily Ransom 3
William E Ransom 1

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Sarah Ann Upsdell Name: Sarah Ann Upsdell Spinster**
Spouse Name: Dennis Ranson Bachelor**
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 27 Aug 1865
Parish: St George, Camberwell
County: Surrey
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: William Upsdell
Spouse Father Name: Edward Ranson

Both their addresses are down as Neate Street. ******


This is the census for Lizzey but look at the age of Sarah's mother 57 too old to have had a 4 year old.

1861 England Census
about Sarah Spidell Name: Sarah Spidell
[Sarah Upsdell?]
[Sarah Upsdell]
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: Abt 1839
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William Spidell
Mother's Name: Ann Spidell
Gender: Female
Where born: St Geler Cambe, Surrey, England
[St Giles Camberwell, Surrey, England]

Civil parish: Camberwell
Ecclesiastical parish: st mary magdalene
County/Island: Surrey

Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: Peckham
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 92
Household Members: Name Age
William Spidell 56 Day Labourer Reads clearly Upsdell*******
Ann Spidell 57
Henry Spidell 24
Sarah Spidell 22
Jacob Spidell 16
Lezzey Spidell 4 down as dau to the head of the house

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Sarah Ann Upsdell Name: Sarah Ann Upsdell
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: 13 th May 1838 ********
Baptism Date: 17 Jun 1838
Father's Name: William Upsdell LABOURER
Mother's Name: Ann Upsdell
Parish or Poor Law Union: Camberwell St Giles
Borough: Southwark

Address Melon Ground Peckham***

thanks for all your replies, I think perhaps James Upsdell married to Sophia may be the right people. The area is correct and his occupation ties in with the family, the problem now is trying to establish their connection to Elizabeth Sarah, getting a married certificate may help, thanks again to you all

NO Janice you want her birth cert. Which somone put up on the begining of the thread.

As Flick said James could just be name given to save face.

Upsdell Elizabeth Sarah - Camberwell 1d 493

Look at the last posting I put up for Sarah Ann Upsdell married to Dennis Ranson. There you will see I have put her marriage with her fathers name. then the 1871 census has Elizabeth Ranson who is really Elizabeth Sarah Upsdell. On the 1861 census she is 4 and on the 1871 census she is 14.

Mel

This is James and Sophia and there is no Elizabeth.

1871 England Census
about James Upsdell Name: James Upsdell
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sophia Upsdell
Gender: Male
Where born: Peckham, Surrey, England
Civil parish: St Mary Newington
Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: Trinity Newington
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Household schedule number: 61
Household Members: Name Age
James Upsdell 34
Sophia Upsdell 33
Arthur H Upsdell 7
Alice M Upsdell 4

Janice did you get any of the certs please?

Mel

I find it worrying to see that you seem happy to 'think' the records 'may' be the right people, when definite info could be found by investing £9.25 in the birth cert.

I wouldn't recommend your approach to anyone intending to compile an accurate family tree