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thank you contrary

and joseph

HB40

What info from the gravestone do you have that proves Susan married John Thomas not William Thomas please?

Like everyone else so far, I can only find 1 marriage for Susan Louisa Shirley and that is to William Thomas York in 1909......most confusing???

It might be a good idea to get the death cert for the John Thomas York death in 1953 to see who actually registered the death?

Mary

i no the the father of pitsford church is the big man and is conjoined with peterborough . he is an arch deacon i think

Is this Susan Louisa Shirleys family ??


1891 England Census
about Susan Louisa Shirley
Name: Susan Louisa Shirley
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William Shirley
Mother's Name: Ellen Bunting Shirley
Gender: Female
Where born: Holcot, Northamptonshire, England

Civil parish: Pitsford
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Pitsford
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England
Registration district: Brixworth
Sub-registration district: Brixworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William Shirley 43
Ellen Bunting Shirley 42
John William Shirley 15
Jane Elizabeth Shirley 12
Harry Shirley 9
Frank William Shirley 7
Susan Louisa Shirley 3
Alice Shirley 1 Week

contrary iv walked that church yard a thousand times i even have photo graphic prove

three ov them children didnt survive by all acounts ......... family bible thats just come from my uncle

the only thing is she was born 1887 not 1888

There is only 1 John Thomas York birth registered anywhere in 1883:

Name: John Thomas York
Year of Registration: 1883
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Brixworth
County: Northamptonshire
Volume: 3b
Page: 137


Mary

So are you saying then HB.........that the grave stone states the death of Susan Louisa and John Thomas York ???

yes PH I
DO

This is Susan's birth........if you get her birth cert and the marriage cert to William Thomas York, if her father's name and occupation match then you will have proof that she did indeed marry William Thomas York.

It's also quite possible that he was always known as John?..........people do often just use a name because they don't like their given name??

Name: Susan Louisa Shirley
Year of Registration: 1887
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Brixworth
County: Northamptonshire
Volume: 3b
Page: 124


Mary

JOHN WAS 70 AT THE TIME OV DEATH sorry and susan was 82 when she died

it is driving me mad

i no but my nan wouldnt have put her dad wrong on the grave stone my nan didnt have loads ov money . so im inclined to think he is been crossed off by mistake

somehow i dont no what to think
but thanks contrary for your help . im going to have to but heads with a priest ands also another thing is mansfied named one ov the cottages he had named after my ggranddad . YORK COTTAGE .

Ok, perhaps someone can help me out here!!
Apparently, we have a family bible that records that Susan Louisa Shirley, married John Thomas York in Peterborough.
The only record we can find is that Susan Louisa Shirley...married William Thomas York in 1909.
We have the 1911 census which confirms that......along with the birth of daughter Ivy Elizabeth.
And sooo..........Is this just a case of by the time "John York" married and in the 1911 census, he just preferred the name of William for some reason, or have i gone "Doo lally" ???

No, I'm thinking along the exact same lines as you PH.........especially as we all know what else the term *John Thomas* is used for ;-))

Mary

SUSAN LOUISA = JOHN THOMAS
SUSAN LOUISE = WILLIAM THOMAS

WHATS IT USED FOR