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Hi,
I am looking for any information concerning Maria Mc Nabb who became Holden when she married my great grandfather in 1800s he was John Holden and they had William John Holden Jan 1885 in Stoughton Brarracks Guildford Surrey.
Maria died young so I was told by my grandfather William John Holden.
My mothers father. she was born in 1920 in Brecon then Brecknock.
Any help please as stuck and want to know where Maria came from when she was born and when she died and where.
Thank you
Susan

Have you tried freebmd?

Hello Susan, have you found them (John, Maria & William) in any census?

If so, where and when?

cant see the marraige

Yes and cannot find any thing at all, all I have is my grand fathers birth and no other facts about this lady and that something I long to find who was my great grand and about her.
so totally stuck as no dob for her and no death record or marriage date.
Thanks
Susan

1891 census?

The elder 2 children both born Bengal, so maybe married in India?

1891 England Census
about William John Holden Name: William John Holden
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation: Son
Father's name: John Holden
Gender: Male
Where born: Guildford, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Croydon St John
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch St John
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Croydon
Sub-registration district: Croydon
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 589
Folio: 34
Page Number: 1
Household Members: Name Age
John Holden 40 sargent Instructor
Ellen Holden 11 Born Bengal
Frances Herbert Holden 8 Born Bengal
William John Holden 6
Robert Holden 2
Eliza Histed 29


Andy

could Maria have been married before? this is right area

Marriages Dec 1888 (>99%)
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ALLEN Arthur George Cuckfield 2b 334
FORD Maria Ann Cuckfield 2b 334
HOLDEN John Cuckfield 2b 334
RICHARDSON Mary Ann Cuckfield 2b 334


How young is young, I wonder?

Deaths Jun 1890
HOLDEN Maria 38 Croydon 2a 136

No Trace? my grandfather had brothers and maybe sisters but his father remarried after Maria died and my grandfather left home as a young man to join up as so unhappy with out his mum. my grand father was a real gent and so loving.
I grow up with this unknown and all the older family members are dead but one who says very little.

Possible christening for Ellen

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Ellen Holden Pedigree
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 22 JAN 1880 Bareilly, Uttar Pradesh, India

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: John Holden Family
Mother: Maria


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Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available. Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter.

Andy

Hi Penny, unsure if she married before, the barracks where he was born are the Royal west surrey regiment. and unsure where the troops went or if she was Indian? all I have is my grand fathers birth.


Hi Andrew,
Unsure but looks good, thank you.



THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR ALL THIS HELP ITS BRILL.

Name: Francis Herbert Holden
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 29 Oct 1882
Baptism/Christening Place: Cliffden, Bengal, India
Birth Date: 19 Oct 1882
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: John Holden
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Maria
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C75028-9
System Origin: India-EASy
Source Film Number: 510869
Reference Number:

Here is John 1901. He is down as married but is a widower in 1891.

HOLDEN, John Head Married M 50 1851 Bricklayers Laborer
Staverton
Northamptonshire VIEW
HOLDEN, Ellen Daughter Single F 21 1880 Housekeeper
India VIEW
HOLDEN, William Son Single M 16 1885 Postman
Guildford
Surrey VIEW
HOLDEN, Robert Son M 12 1889 Scholar
Croydon
Surrey VIEW
RG number:
RG13 Piece:
1325 Folio:
111 Page:
10

Registration District:
Hemel Hempstead Sub District:
Hemel Hempstead Enumeration District:
7 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Boxmoor St Johns

Civil Parish:
Hemel Hempstead Municipal Borough:
Address:
Paradise, Hemel Hempstead County:
Hertfordshire



and in 1911, still married but no wife with him.

HOLDEN, John Head Married M 60 1851 Market Gardener Northamptonshire Stanton VIEW
ASHFORD, Mary Ann Housekeeper Single F 60 1851 Housekeeeper Somersetshire Westcamel VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
7746 Reference:
RG14PN7746 RG78PN383 RD141 SD1 ED7 SN163

Registration District:
Hemel Hempstead Sub District:
Hemel Hempstead Enumeration District:
7 Parish:
Hemel Hempstead

Address:
Paradise Hemel Hempstead County:
Hertfordshire

I know hemel hempsted. Paradise does exist, its a street name,/Area

Hi. Yes it appears on my grandfathers marriage to my grandmother William John Holden and Margarett Ann Bishop 24 jan 1912 Paradise Boxmoor Herts know nothing about the Bishops than her father George Bishop no mothers details and family and no idea where from.but believed to have disowned my grand mother for marriage below her standing??

Thank you everyone for all this help its wonderful.

This looks like it could be your grandmother's family. Says they only had 1 child who is still living.

1911
BISHOP, George Head Married M 44 1867 Bass Dresser Brush Manufacturer New Town Montgomeryshire VIEW
BISHOP, Elizabeth Hannah Wife Married
10 years F 34 1877 Poplar London E VIEW
BISHOP, Margaretta Ann Daughter Single F 24 1887 Hand Folder Paper Mills Recon Breconshire VIEW
BISHOP, Richard David Vincent Son M 5 1906 Talgarth Breconshire VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
7748 Reference:
RG14PN7748 RG78PN383 RD141 SD1 ED9 SN264

Registration District:
Hemel Hempstead Sub District:
Hemel Hempstead Enumeration District:
9 Parish:
Hemel Hempstead

Address:
2 Sunnyhill Road Hamerfield County:
Hertfordshire

Its sounds as though she did marry below what her father thought was right. He was a manufacturer, his son in law a gardener? You may be able to find out where and what he manufactured in hemel hempsted in the way of dresser brushes. A dresser brush is what we would call a dressing table set ( dont have them these days)

She was a paper folder in the mils - Dickinsons Mill possibly - not sure when that was founded, but it was a big paper manufacturer just outside Boxmoor

Hi Penny, Yes and only one son is living now, unsure wher the younger children died as she had 9 children 1 boy and 1 girl died as infants and two boys in WW2 one in the Australian Army and died in a POW camp he called him in 1942 March the other died1941 march welch Regiment. leaving there were 4 girls
Know nothing of the Bishops and Holdens before the birth of my grand parents or there wedding
Thank you

Where does Maria Mc Nabb come from? DOB and her family who are they? still the unknown and where did she die? long to know! is she scottish or irish or Indian even? anyone got any clues.

Penny, you are a wealth of wonderful information.

I wonder if this is George with his first wife? Ann could maybe be Margaretta Ann?

1891 England Census
about George Bishop
Name: George Bishop
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Margaret Bishop
Gender: Male
Where born: Newtown, Montgomeryshire, Wales

Civil parish: Aldershot
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
Town: Aldershot
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: Sergeant in infantry

View image

Registration district: Farnham
Sub-registration district: Frimley
ED, institution, or vessel: 1st Battaltion South Wales Borderers Officers Men Women and Children
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 567
Folio: 24
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
George Bishop 26
Margaret Bishop 25 Talgrath, Breconshire, Wales
Ann Bishop 4 Brecon, Breconshire, Wales


Birth for her?

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Margarett Ann Bishop
Name: Margarett Ann Bishop
Year of Registration: 1887
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Brecknock
County: Breconshire, Powys
Volume: 11b
Page: 85

My Gran was Margarett Bishop Jan 1887 0k and the area is right
Thank you
Everyone has been wonderful helping me.