Find Ancestors

David, are you going to get the marriage certificate of Elizabeth Roberts and Andrew Sharkey?

You have to cross your fingers that she named her father and gave her own correct age.

That seems like the only way of confirming that the Bessie in 1911 who looks so much like your Elizabeth really might be your Elizabeth. (It makes sense that if Patrick was Paddy and John was Jack and maybe Mary was Molly, Elizabeth would have a nickname too.)


Name: Andrew Sharkey
Spouse Surname: Roberts
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1938
Registration district: Surrey North Eastern
Registration county (inferred): Surrey
Volume Number: 2a
Page Number: 179

my dad did have a brother james born 1930, a sister dasiy born 1926, pansy born1924/died1925 and a stepsister shirley born 1940 as soon as the cert's turn up i will post them straight away
thank you for all your help and guidance

David

Now that we have established that the marriage took place in 1924 or maybe a year earlier, I suggest you order from Ireland GRO a marriage cert for them - they are pretty good and normally search a year or 2 either side of the date given.

Order from here:-

http://www.groireland.ie/apply_for_a_cert.htm


The Bessie Roberts and family on the 1911 census is almost certainly your Elizabeth, if correct, it says that her father was born in Kerry, so not Welsh but Irish!!

Mary

Just for the record, this is the household in Kerry

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/


1901

Residents of a house 8 in Clovers Lane (Killarney, Kerry)


Roberts Deborah Female Daughter Roman Catholic Co Kerry
Roberts Roberts 28 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Co Kerry Fisherman Read and write - Married -
Roberts Patrick 5 Male Son Roman Catholic Co Kerry Scholar
Roberts John 7 Male Son Roman Catholic Co Kerry Scholar
Roberts Robert 8 Male Son Roman Catholic Co Kerry Scholar
Roberts Catherine 27 Female Wife Roman Catholic Co Kerry Read and write


1911

Residents of a house 2 in Clover's Lane (Killarney Urban, Kerry)

Roberts Robert 40 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Kerry Boatman - Labourer Married
Roberts Kate 38 Female Wife Kerry Married 19 years, 10 children born, 7 living
Roberts Robert 18 Male Son Kerry Boatman - Labourer Single
Roberts John 16 Male Son Kerry Boatman - Labourer Single
Roberts Patrick 14 Male Son Kerry Scholars
Roberts Dora 10 Female Daughter Kerry Scholars
Roberts Bessie 8 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Kerry Scholars Read and write - Single
Roberts Mary 2 Female Daughter Kerry
Roberts Daniel Male Son Kerry


good find there!

just to let everybody know there is no record of elizabeth roberts marrying a james campbell between 1920to1925 on the irish bmd but there records showed a elizabeth roberts being born 1903 in killarney

Well, my suggestion may be correct then, David. Since she used the name Roberts when she married Sharkey, she and Campbell were likely never married.

We're waiting for the Roberts-Sharkey marriage certificate, I guess!

Of course, the other possibility there is that she and Campbell were in fact married, and she concealed that fact if she married Sharkey bigamously. These things did happen.

David

Can you please let us know where you got the info from regarding the no marriage for Elizabeth Roberts & James Campbell?

Is this from an online source or is it information supplied by Roscommon RO?

Have you got the birth record for Elizabeth? And if so, what were her parents names on it?

Mary

hi every one
the source of the no marriage came form the irish office of birth,deaths & marrages as i applyed for the cert and they got in touch that it was not the two years that i put so i asked them to check the other years they went back to 1920 for me they the said if i wanted to go back to 1918 i would have to get in touch with another office by writing or phoneing and gave me the details so i have to work out the time difference between ireland & australia so i can ring in office hours. still waiting on cert's from sharkey/roberts marrage.
will post any new info as soon as it come in the post

Thanks for the info David. :-)

So it's looking more and more certain that the Roberts/Sharkey marriage I found for you is correct.

Did you order the birth record for Elizabeth Roberts 1903 so that we can 100% certain that the 1938 marriage is her?

Unfortunately without a marriage to James Campbell it is going to be very difficult to trace back on his side. :-(

Mary

hi everyone
i ordered the marrage cert of sharkey / roberts nearly 3 weeks ago still waiting . its never taken this long before the post seems slow .
will keep all informed
dave <3 :-)

I got all excited then thinking you'd got the cert! :D Oh well, I guess we'll have to be patient for a bit longer.

Thanks for the update David.

Mary

If it takes much longer David, do make an enquiry.

I waited 3 months once (it could take as long as 6 weeks to Canada) and then enquired, and it seemed the thing had got lost in the mail ... so they sent another one.

hi everyone i got the cert it readslike this
when married 15/10/1938
name & surname andrew sharkey / elizabeth roberts
age 29 / 35
condition bachelor / spinster
rank or prof bricky labour
address 33 caverleigh way / 24 southwood drive
malden / tolworth
fathers andrew sharkey / robert roberts
rank or prof farmer / boat proprietor
married according to the rites and ceremonies roman catholics
hope this help's everyone :-) <3 <3 <3 <3