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Hi, i'm having a real problem with finding a birth record for my Grandfather. I don't know any names of siblings and the name given for his father on the marriage certificate is a bit of a mystery. I will give the details i have in the hope some kind person may be able to help.
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Ethel Emma Kettle
Name: Ethel Emma Kettle
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1891
Spouse Name: Albert Parks
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 7 Apr 1912
Parish: St John the Evangelist, Walworth
County: Middlesex
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: William Kettle
Spouse Father Name: John Rogue Parks

My Grandfather died in 1940, age 49, Bournemouth/Poole under the name of Parkes. I think he changed his name from Parks to Parkes soon after his first son was born in 1912.

Kind Regards.

Rachel.

What were the occuptions for Albert and his dad and address for Albert at time of marriage.Was his dad still alive.


Is it deffinatelly Rogue or could it be Roger?

Maryb

Albert is a porter, his father John is a Game Keeper.

Both the Bride and Groom gave their address as 100 Rodney Place, Newington.

Witnesses Thomas Bizzell and H (Looks like) Barratt or Barnett or Barnolt.

Hi, Thank you for your replies, i have the marriage certificate and it says Albert Parks, age 22, bachelor, porter, address: 100 Rodney Place, Father John Rogue Parks, game keeper

Ethel Emma Kettle, age 21, spinster, laundress, address: 100 Rodney Place, father: William Kettle, Master builder

Witnesses: Thomas Bizzell and H. Barrett..

It definatelly looks like Rogue, it's quite clear to read.

I have looked at the Albert Parks in Maiden Kent but can't seem to find his family as he's living at the barracks. How do i find more info on him ?

Kind Regards.

Rachel.

Hi, I have looked again at the Albert living in Maiden Kent and it seems he was born there. I looked on the 1901 census to find an Albert in Maiden Kent but the closest i can find is in Hadlow Kent and the father's name is Frank. Is Hadlow near Maiden ?

Kind Regards.

Rachel.

Thomas Bizzell acttually lives next door to 100 Rodney Place but in 1911 it is inhabited by the Andrew's family.

Aha!! This looks promising. I wonder if Albert was born before his mother married??

DENNIS, George Head Married M 47 1864 Carpenter Wandsworth Surry VIEW
DENNIS, Annie Wife Married
32 years F 43 1868 Tunbridge Wells Kent VIEW
>>>DENNIS, Albert Son Single M 22 1889 Painter Batersea Surry VIEW
DENNIS, Gertrude Daughter Single F 21 1890 Mother Help Wandsworth Surry VIEW
DENNIS, Maud Daughter Single F 19 1892 Mother Help Wandsworth Surry VIEW
DENNIS, Sidney Son Single M 18 1893 Butcher Wandsworth Surry VIEW
DENNIS, May Daughter Single F 16 1895 Wandsworth Surry VIEW
DENNIS, Claude Son M 13 1898 Battersea Surry VIEW
DENNIS, Evaline Daughter F 11 1900 Catford Kent VIEW
DENNIS, Douglas Son M 8 1903 Catford Kent VIEW
DENNIS, Cyril Son M 3 1908 Catford Kent VIEW
>>>PARKES, Emma Mother In Law Widow F 69 1842 Nil Oxford VIEW

Address:
8 Ravensbourne Road Forest Hill S E County:
London

Doesn't look as promising now

Marriages Sep 1888 (>99%)
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>>>DENNIS George Samuel Tunbridge 2a 1016
McLoughlin James Andrew Tunbridge 2a 1016
Morse Alice Eliza Tunbridge 2a 1016
>>>Parkes Annie Florence Tunbridge 2a 1016


It was a close call. Registered in the same quarter as the marriage. So he could have been born just before the marriage.

Albert Bartlett S Dennis
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1888
Registration district: Wandsworth
Registration County: Greater London, London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 653


Albert Bartlett Samuel Dennis
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1888
Baptism Date: 21 Oct 1888
Father's name: George Samuel Dennis
Mother's name: Annie Florence Dennis
Parish or Poor Law Union: Battersea Christ Church
Borough: Wandsworth


Can discount this one. He married in 1922 and died in 1973 in Tunbridge Kent.

Hi, I found this family.

Park family living in Poplar E, London in 1911.
49 Brabazon St.
Eliza Park, 65, 1846, born Stepney, London
Eliza Esther Park(dau) 27, 1884, born Poplar
Albert Henry Park (son) 21, 1890, born Poplar
John Edward George Bissell (boarder) 24, 1887, born Stepney.

If you remember the witness to my Grandparents marriage was Thomas Bizzell.

John Bissell married Eliza Esther Park in Dec 1911, Poplar.

I haven't found a connection between Thomas and John yet but hoping someone may be able to help.

Father's name on 1901 census is Walter Henry Park ???

I know this still may not be my Albert but I'm wondering if this is the family connection between the Parks and the Bissell's.

Kind Regards.

Rachel.

I think it is more likely that the witness is actually Thomas Bizzell who lived next door to 100 Rodney Place in 1911. His name is Bizzell from 1870 when he was born and not Bissell. It may be that when they married they just asked two unconnected people to be witnesses, either neighbours or work colleagues.

BIZZELL, Thomas Husband Married M 41 1870 Carmans Mate Walworth London VIEW
BIZZELL, Alice Wife Married
12 years F 35 1876 Mill Bank S Lambeth VIEW
BIZZELL, Alice Daughter F 7 1904 Carman S Lambeth VIEW
BIZZELL, Walter Son M 5 1906 Battersea London VIEW

Address:
100 a Palatinate Buildings County:
London

John Edard Bissell
[John Edward George Bissell]
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Spouse Name: Eliza Esther Park
Spouse Age: 27
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 22 Oct 1911
Parish: St Gabriel, Chrisp Street
County: London
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: John Bissell
Spouse Father Name: Walter Park

1891

John Bissell
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation: Son
Father's name: John Bissell
Mother's name: Jennis Bissell
Gender: Male
Where born: Limehouse, London, England

Civil parish: Bromley St Leonard
Ecclesiastical parish: St Gabriels
Household Members: Name Age
John Bissell 26
Jennis Bissell 23
John Bissell 4
Jemma Bissell 2
Eliza Bissell 1/12

1891

Walter H Park
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation: Son
Father's name: Walter H Park
Mother's name: Eliza Park
Gender: Male
Where born: Poplar, London, England
Civil parish: Bromley
Ecclesiastical parish: St Gabriels
Household Members: Name Age
Walter H Park 44
Eliza Park 44
Walter H Park 16
Martha Park 15
George Park 13
Eliza Park 7
Albert Park 1
Maria Park 64


Marriages Dec 1871 (>99%)
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>>Burley Eliza Mile End 1c 1242
Gardner Henry Mile End 1c 1242
>>Park Walter Henry Mile End 1c 1242
Patterson Mary Ann Mile End 1c 1242

Thank you for all the info, i was kind of hoping there might be a connection between Thomas and John. I know the spelling of the name was different but that has happened before. Back to looking again !.

There is this family in Walworth (where the marriage took place)

1871 John Parks 50 Cab driver b Canterbury
Mary A wife 36
Elizabeth S 17
John R 14
Charlotte I 12
Rebecca 7
Henry 5
Frances A 2
Francis 1month all born Walworth

That John R appears 1901 in Nottingham
John R Parkes 45 Lab at Waterworks
Annie 47 wife
Edith M 20
Jack R 13
So no Albert among them at that stage
But I will look again to see if I can find John R in the 2 intervening
censuses. No Gamekeeper of course but people do change occupations

Pity it seems that John R was John Richard Parks and not John Rogue Parks (who doesnt seem to exist! as far as BDMs and censuses areconcerned anyway)

I'm glad i'm not the only one who thinks John Rogue doesn't exist, i think i have searched every BMD and Census going. It's such a shame i don't have any siblings names. In 1901 Albert would of been about 11 so i would of thought he would of been at home but who knows. It would be great if you could find Albert in the intervening years.
Many thanks.
Rachel.

I thought I had found him,I just serached first names John Rogue and one John Rogue De Mello 1856 London came up.

I thought maybe they had changed their surname,but no.
But at least I saw the name John Rogue whoever.

So it is actually a name.
Who the heck could invent a name like that!!



Maryb

Well i never, so it is a name lol

Seems a bit strange that of all the places to live that John Rogue lived in London.

Shame really, i quite fancied having the surname De Mello !

It seems the name Rogue or sometimes spelled Rague is quite popular with the De Mello's, there's quite a few of them.