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I am totally baffled by Edward Collins whereabouts before his marriage in 1887.

Can anyone help me?

This is the information I have -

D.O.B - abt 1852 (1891,1901,1911 census)

P.O.B - France (1911 census)
Foreign Subject/France (1901 census)
St Heland (1891 census)

MARRIAGE - 21st Aug 1887, Great Yarmouth to HANNAH OXBOROUGH

RESIDENCES - Lived in Great Yarmouth throughout his married life

CHILDREN - James, Amelia, Ethel, Ernest, Bertie, Elizabeth, Edith, Rosy, Louise, Alice, Nell, Mary Arthur.

NOTE: In all censuses he was recorded as Deaf & Dumb.

ADDITIONAL INFO THAT MAY HELP:-

There is a 1861 census in Birmingham for a Edwin Collins (ages 8) that was recorded as deaf and dumb from birth. His father names is Sylvannus Collins. But it says they were all born in B'ham.
I cannot connect my Edward to this edwin if they are indeed the same people.

Also, I think Edward may have been married before he wed Hannah Oxborough in 1887. There is a 17 yr age gap between them. She was born in 1869. Edward was still having sprogs well into his 50's

I just cannot find anything. I am limited with the info I cant search as I do not have an overseas subscription with ancestry....

Hope someone can help
Many thanks in advance :-)
Eccles

FOR REFERENCE : -1891 England Census about Edward Collins

Name: Edward Collins
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Anna Collins
Gender: Male
Where born: St Heland
Civil parish: Great Yarmouth
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Condition as to marriage: Married
Registration district: Yarmouth
Sub-registration district: Yarmouth Northern
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Collins 39
Anna Collins 23
Amelia Collins 4
Ethel Collins 23
James Collins 6

First question - do you have his marriage cert to Hannah? You could do with his father's name.
Jan

I think the 1891 birthplace is actually Ireland?#

EDIT sorry, delete that thought! I'm wrong, it looks more like St. Heland, apologies.

Jan

I don't.... I know this would be easier but I was hoping someone could help first before I start spending the pennies :-/

Eccles x

I thought this to BrummieJan but I can't work out what the word/letters are before.
I this is the case... im confused to why he is recorded as French in the others.
I know his wife on the 1891 census is recorded as Anna but all the other details match the following records x

EDIT - Even so, a st helend in France does not exsist :-S

This man is deaf & dumb also, not sure if it's a step too far re name!!

1881 England Census

Name: Edward Colley Woodcock
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Elizabeth Woodcock
Gender: Male
Where born: France

Civil parish: Great Yarmouth
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Street Address: 13 Norman Sqr

Occupation: Bricklayers Labourer

Registration district: Yarmouth
Sub-registration district: Yarmouth Northern

Elizabeth Woodcock 41
Edward Colley Woodcock 25
John Prince Woodcock 38
James Orford 72

The fmp transcription has his place of birth as St Helena, a British colony in the South Atlantic famous as a place of exile for Napoleon.

I shall have a peak now and see if I can find any other records for this guy.x

Nice one alviegal. Have submitted correction to Ancestry.
Jan

?????
From the Family Search site :
groom's name: Edward Collings
groom's birth date: 1861
groom's birthplace:
groom's age: 26
bride's name: Hannah Oxborough
bride's birth date: 1868
bride's birthplace:
bride's age: 19
marriage date: 1887
marriage place: St. Nicholas, Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
groom's father's name: Edward Collings
groom's mother's name:
bride's father's name: James Oxborough
bride's mother's name:
groom's race:
groom's marital status:
groom's previous wife's name:
bride's race:
bride's marital status:
bride's previous husband's name:
indexing project (batch) number: M16315-7
system origin: England-VR
source film number: 1526459
reference number: 2:1HSVDQQ


Maureen

WOW! Thats like africa!! Im getting more confused, lol!

It still doesnt explain France..... althought he did say it was France after the 1891. I wonder if he lied? But for what reason :-S

Maureen!! His date of birth!!! Thats great! I think Edwards turning out to be little fibber, lol.x

This is def their marriage as HANNAH's father was James Samuel John Oxborough x

Maybe he was just mistaken? Maybe it was St. Helens, heh heh!
Jan

OH don't say that Jan..... There a Edward collins in st helens, gurnsey.... he was some sort of priest. Ended up in this country. I can remember where.

I thought this was him at first and maybe when he said gurnsey in the 1901 and 1911 the enumerator thought this was part of france x

p.s my spelling is awful, lol. apologies x

Just kidding - definitely looks like St. Helena on the image.
Jan

it really does doesn't it :-S Oh gawsh

Despite the above marriage- nice find by the way! - I would still be inclined to purchase the marriage cert. If nothing else you might find the witnesses hold a clue, and there might be an address which helps.
Jan

maybe his brother ????

Name: Reginald Edward Collings
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date:
Baptism/Christening Place:
Birth Date: 15 Jul 1865
Birthplace: SAINT ANDREWS,GUERNSEY,CHANNEL ISLANDS
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Edward Jno. Collings
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Adelaide Maria Collings
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C06283-1
System Origin: ChannelIslands-ODM
Source Film Number: 473984
Reference Number:
Collection: Channel Islands Births and Baptisms, 1820-1907

Erika - and anybody else! - just indulge me and check out that peculiar 1881 census I posted above.

Suggesting it is worth checking out for these reasons -

deaf & dumb
birthplace
location
occupation
middle name hard to read, not sure if Colley or not, need better eyes than mine to exclude a variation of Collins!

Stranger things have been known!

Jan

I shall have a look now Jan. The mother in law just came round with her book of history but i gave me nothing I already knew :-( .....