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Could be she was lying about her age:

Deaths Mar 1904
WOODCOCK Elizabeth 76 Yarmouth 4b 20

Rose

John in 1901

Name: Elizabeth Woodcock
Age: 65
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Nk, London, England

Civil parish: Great Yarmouth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Nicholas
Town: Great Yarmouth
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Registration district: Yarmouth
Sub-registration district: Yarmouth Northern

Elizabeth Woodcock 65 Widow
John Woodcock 56 b.ca 1845, NK, London, Single, Visitor, Wood Chopper, on own account
George King 53 Visitor, Married, Carter on Farm

Address:- 6 Pleasant Place



1891 Census

Name: M M Woodcock
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Leicestershire, England

Civil parish: Great Yarmouth
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Registration district: Yarmouth
Sub-registration district: Yarmouth Northern

M M Woodcock 47 Widow, Seamstress <<<< this could actually be Mrs M Woodcock
John Prince 40 b.ca 1851, Whitechapel, London, Single, Labourer, Blayer

address:- 6 (or could be 7) Pleasant Place.



There's a very strange erlationship with John Prince Woodcock and the female Woodcocks ............. he's too old to be the child of either Elizabeth or this M Woodcock.



sylvia

Look at the ages on that 1881 Census!!

Elizabeth just cannot be the mother of John Prince Woodcock!


and I've looked at the image ...... they have been transcribed correctly!




sylvia

1881 filled out a bit.

WOODCOCK, Elizabeth Head Widow F 41 1840 Housekeeper
British Subject
France VIEW
WOODCOCK, Edward Colley Son Single M 25 1856 Bricklayers Labourer
Deaf & Dumb France VIEW
WOODCOCK, John Prince Son Single M 38 1843 Bricklayers Labourer
London, London
Middlesex VIEW
ORFORD, James Boarder Widower M 72 1809 Tailor
Burgh St Peter
Suffolk VIEW
Piece:
1915 Folio:
58 Page:
19 Registration District:
Yarmouth

Civil Parish:
Gt Yarmouth Municipal Borough:
Address:
13, Norman Sqr, Gt Yarmouth County:
Norfolk

Was his father perhaps in the army, which could account for him being born in St Helena even though it was a French territory.
For many years after the exile of Napoleon to St Helena, there was a British army presence on the island.
Doesn´t account for him saying he´s French though,Possibly his mother was from St Helena which would have made her French.

ALAS!! I HAVE DISCOVERED THE MARRIAGE CERT IMAGE THAT WAS GIVEN BY 'MAUREENINNY'

THIS IS THE LINK
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11667-25215-1?cc=1416598&wc=662011

AND WHAT DO YOU KNOW - A WITNESS IS NON OTHER THAN 'JOHN PRINCE' WHO APPEARED IN THE 1881 CENSUS GIVEN BY BRUMMIEJAN. THIS IS DEFINATLEY MY EDWARD FOR SURE!!!

HIS FATHER WAS INDEED ALSO EDWARD COLLINS AND HE WAS A SAILOR

IT STILL DOESNT EXPLAIN WHERE 'ST HELENA' COMES INTO THIS WHEN 1881,1901,1911 CENSUSES SAY HE WAS FROM FRANCE :-S

ANY ADVICE? :-D

Hi guys :D

Many thanks for helping me today. I think I will have to buy the marriage cert as it looks like there's no way round it.

xxxxx

I agree about the relationships, very strange! Glad you agree it must be him, though not sure it solves a great deal. I can't see any easy way round this one.
Jan

I've been looking for a while now,Jan. It's obviously him in 1881,but the relationships are hard to determine.

In 1891 John is shown as John Prince :
1891 census transcription details for: 7, Pleasant Place, Beaconsfield Road, Great Yarmouth

RG number: RG12 Piece: 1501 Folio: 27 Page: 48


Reg. District: Yarmouth Sub District: Yarmouth Southern
Parish: Great Yarmouth Enum. District: 1
Ecclesiastical District: Great Yarmouth City/Municipal Borough: Great Yarmouth
Address: 7, Pleasant Place, Beaconsfield Road, Great Yarmouth
County: Norfolk
PRINCE, John Boarder Single M 40 1851 Labourer Blayer
Whitechapel
London


Living with a Mrs Woodcock and just a few doors away from Edward.

in 1901 he's back to being John Woodcock. I lose him after that.

Maureen

I shall have a look now Jan. The mother in law just came round with her book of history but i gave me nothing I already knew :-( .....

Erika - and anybody else! - just indulge me and check out that peculiar 1881 census I posted above.

Suggesting it is worth checking out for these reasons -

deaf & dumb
birthplace
location
occupation
middle name hard to read, not sure if Colley or not, need better eyes than mine to exclude a variation of Collins!

Stranger things have been known!

Jan

maybe his brother ????

Name: Reginald Edward Collings
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date:
Baptism/Christening Place:
Birth Date: 15 Jul 1865
Birthplace: SAINT ANDREWS,GUERNSEY,CHANNEL ISLANDS
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Edward Jno. Collings
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Adelaide Maria Collings
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C06283-1
System Origin: ChannelIslands-ODM
Source Film Number: 473984
Reference Number:
Collection: Channel Islands Births and Baptisms, 1820-1907

Despite the above marriage- nice find by the way! - I would still be inclined to purchase the marriage cert. If nothing else you might find the witnesses hold a clue, and there might be an address which helps.
Jan

it really does doesn't it :-S Oh gawsh

Just kidding - definitely looks like St. Helena on the image.
Jan

OH don't say that Jan..... There a Edward collins in st helens, gurnsey.... he was some sort of priest. Ended up in this country. I can remember where.

I thought this was him at first and maybe when he said gurnsey in the 1901 and 1911 the enumerator thought this was part of france x

p.s my spelling is awful, lol. apologies x

Maybe he was just mistaken? Maybe it was St. Helens, heh heh!
Jan

Maureen!! His date of birth!!! Thats great! I think Edwards turning out to be little fibber, lol.x

This is def their marriage as HANNAH's father was James Samuel John Oxborough x

WOW! Thats like africa!! Im getting more confused, lol!

It still doesnt explain France..... althought he did say it was France after the 1891. I wonder if he lied? But for what reason :-S

?????
From the Family Search site :
groom's name: Edward Collings
groom's birth date: 1861
groom's birthplace:
groom's age: 26
bride's name: Hannah Oxborough
bride's birth date: 1868
bride's birthplace:
bride's age: 19
marriage date: 1887
marriage place: St. Nicholas, Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
groom's father's name: Edward Collings
groom's mother's name:
bride's father's name: James Oxborough
bride's mother's name:
groom's race:
groom's marital status:
groom's previous wife's name:
bride's race:
bride's marital status:
bride's previous husband's name:
indexing project (batch) number: M16315-7
system origin: England-VR
source film number: 1526459
reference number: 2:1HSVDQQ


Maureen