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I've been looking for a while now,Jan. It's obviously him in 1881,but the relationships are hard to determine.

In 1891 John is shown as John Prince :
1891 census transcription details for: 7, Pleasant Place, Beaconsfield Road, Great Yarmouth

RG number: RG12 Piece: 1501 Folio: 27 Page: 48


Reg. District: Yarmouth Sub District: Yarmouth Southern
Parish: Great Yarmouth Enum. District: 1
Ecclesiastical District: Great Yarmouth City/Municipal Borough: Great Yarmouth
Address: 7, Pleasant Place, Beaconsfield Road, Great Yarmouth
County: Norfolk
PRINCE, John Boarder Single M 40 1851 Labourer Blayer
Whitechapel
London


Living with a Mrs Woodcock and just a few doors away from Edward.

in 1901 he's back to being John Woodcock. I lose him after that.

Maureen

I agree about the relationships, very strange! Glad you agree it must be him, though not sure it solves a great deal. I can't see any easy way round this one.
Jan

Hi guys :D

Many thanks for helping me today. I think I will have to buy the marriage cert as it looks like there's no way round it.

xxxxx

ALAS!! I HAVE DISCOVERED THE MARRIAGE CERT IMAGE THAT WAS GIVEN BY 'MAUREENINNY'

THIS IS THE LINK
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11667-25215-1?cc=1416598&wc=662011

AND WHAT DO YOU KNOW - A WITNESS IS NON OTHER THAN 'JOHN PRINCE' WHO APPEARED IN THE 1881 CENSUS GIVEN BY BRUMMIEJAN. THIS IS DEFINATLEY MY EDWARD FOR SURE!!!

HIS FATHER WAS INDEED ALSO EDWARD COLLINS AND HE WAS A SAILOR

IT STILL DOESNT EXPLAIN WHERE 'ST HELENA' COMES INTO THIS WHEN 1881,1901,1911 CENSUSES SAY HE WAS FROM FRANCE :-S

ANY ADVICE? :-D

Was his father perhaps in the army, which could account for him being born in St Helena even though it was a French territory.
For many years after the exile of Napoleon to St Helena, there was a British army presence on the island.
Doesn´t account for him saying he´s French though,Possibly his mother was from St Helena which would have made her French.

1881 filled out a bit.

WOODCOCK, Elizabeth Head Widow F 41 1840 Housekeeper
British Subject
France VIEW
WOODCOCK, Edward Colley Son Single M 25 1856 Bricklayers Labourer
Deaf & Dumb France VIEW
WOODCOCK, John Prince Son Single M 38 1843 Bricklayers Labourer
London, London
Middlesex VIEW
ORFORD, James Boarder Widower M 72 1809 Tailor
Burgh St Peter
Suffolk VIEW
Piece:
1915 Folio:
58 Page:
19 Registration District:
Yarmouth

Civil Parish:
Gt Yarmouth Municipal Borough:
Address:
13, Norman Sqr, Gt Yarmouth County:
Norfolk

Look at the ages on that 1881 Census!!

Elizabeth just cannot be the mother of John Prince Woodcock!


and I've looked at the image ...... they have been transcribed correctly!




sylvia

John in 1901

Name: Elizabeth Woodcock
Age: 65
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Nk, London, England

Civil parish: Great Yarmouth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Nicholas
Town: Great Yarmouth
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Registration district: Yarmouth
Sub-registration district: Yarmouth Northern

Elizabeth Woodcock 65 Widow
John Woodcock 56 b.ca 1845, NK, London, Single, Visitor, Wood Chopper, on own account
George King 53 Visitor, Married, Carter on Farm

Address:- 6 Pleasant Place



1891 Census

Name: M M Woodcock
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Leicestershire, England

Civil parish: Great Yarmouth
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Registration district: Yarmouth
Sub-registration district: Yarmouth Northern

M M Woodcock 47 Widow, Seamstress <<<< this could actually be Mrs M Woodcock
John Prince 40 b.ca 1851, Whitechapel, London, Single, Labourer, Blayer

address:- 6 (or could be 7) Pleasant Place.



There's a very strange erlationship with John Prince Woodcock and the female Woodcocks ............. he's too old to be the child of either Elizabeth or this M Woodcock.



sylvia

Could be she was lying about her age:

Deaths Mar 1904
WOODCOCK Elizabeth 76 Yarmouth 4b 20

Rose