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Births Sep 1911
HOARE George H Savage Kettering 3b 275

Births Dec 1913
HOARE HILDA SAVAGE Aston 6d 804

Births Mar 1916
Hoare Sarah A Savage Aston 6d 620


Births Sep 1917
Hoare Harry Savage Aston 6d 545

Births Sep 1920
Hoare Cecil Savage Birmingham 6d 836
Hoare Cyril Savage Birmingham 6d 836


Rose

A tree on Ancestry has Bertram's parents as Harriett and Daniel:

Marriages Dec 1898
Hoare Daniel Northampton 3b 194
Savage Harriett Caroline Northampton 3b 194

Rose

Did you know this because you already have Daniel in your tree?

Rose

Wonder if this is Kathy?

Births Mar 1931
Sword Kathleen M Wright Birmgham S. 6d 168

Rose

Kathleen Margaret Sword died in 1972 in the right area so must be your nan. Born November 1930.

Rose

Also registered under Hoare.

Rose

There is very little choice for births of a Kath* or Cath* Sword. My bet would be:

Name: Kathleen M Sword
Mother's Maiden Surname: Wright
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1931*
Registration district: Birmingham S
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume Number: 6d
Page Number: 168

Name: Kathleen Margaret Hoare
Birth Date: 21 Nov 1930*
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1972
Age at Death: 41
Registration district: Kingswood
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 7b
Page: 1482

*born late 1930, registeed early 1931

I think that makes a perfect fit for the info you have.

In fact yes, the death was registered under both surnames:

Name: Kathleen Margaret Sword
Birth Date: 21 Nov 1930
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1972
Age at Death: 41
Registration district: Kingswood
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 7b
Page: 1482

We were beavering away at the same time -- so that makes it unanimous!

Thank you Rose, Bert was definately my grandfathers brother but the list beneath i'm really confused with as my grandfather Fred's middle name was most definately Thomas? I've managed to find out my nan (who he never married as he was still married to Agnes Chandler) was Kathleen Sword born 21st Spet 1930 and she died of womb cancer in March 1972, I had this info from my father but he refuses to tell me anymore than that, are you able to help me? Thanks again x

Uh, you're welcome.

We managed to find out your nan was Kathleen Sword born 1930 and died 1972.

I guess we needn't have spent our time finding that out then.

The M isn't a middle initial. It stands for Male.

Rose

I wonder whether Toni didn't realize there's a page 2?

(I always delete the M and F when I copy 1911 census records -- people always think they're initials!)

Probable marriage of Kathleens parents
Annie Wright married Albert Sword 1919 Birmingham 6d 784
Albert Sword born 1895 Dec Q Aston

1901 Aston 5 Mills Bldgs Emily St
Thomas sword 33 Spoon and Fork Polisher
Mary 30 wife
Thomas 11 son
Arthur 8 son
ALBERT 6 son
James 4 son
Ernest 7 son
Mary E 8mths daur all born Birmingham

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