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Can anyone help. The only information I have is this Census entry
1841 Census
HO107/336/27/10
Little End Stanford Rivers Essex (Chipping Ongar)
John Mott B1791 Essex
Mary B1791 Essex
George B1826 Essex
Joseph B1826 Essex
Frederic B1831 Essex
Emma B1836 Essex
Alfred B1836 Essex
Susan B1839 Essex

Thanks Pittsy :-S

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1851 census -

MOTT, John Head Married M 74 1777 Brick Maker Employ 6 Men
Bocking
Essex VIEW
MOTT, Jane Wife Married F 62 1789
Pattiswick
Essex VIEW
ALSTON, Jonothan Son-In-Law Unmarried M 27 1824 Brick Maker Journeyman
Earls Colne
Essex VIEW
ALSTON, Arthur Son-In-Law Unmarried M 23 1828 Brick Maker Journeyman
Earls Colne
Essex VIEW
MOTT, Susannah Grand Daughter F 11 1840
West Bergholt
Essex VIEW

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RG number:
HO107 Piece:
1785 Folio:
275 Page:
21

Registration District:
Braintree Sub District:
Bocking Enumeration District:
2D Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Bocking Municipal Borough:
Address:
Halsted Road, Bocking County:
Essex

Looks possible she was registered as Susannah

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Jun 1839 (>99%)
Mott Susanna Epping 12 85

I think Susannah also exists in the 1841 so maybe not the same person

Name: Susannah Mott
Event: Census
Event Date: 1841
Gender: Female
Age: 1
Birthplace: Essex
Record Type: Household
Registration District: Lexden & Winstree
Sub-district: Fordham
Civil Parish: West Bergholt
County: Essex

Do you have any evidence she is still alive in 1851 (apart from lack of any obvious death?)
Thanks

1841 parents in 1851?
1851 England Census
John Mott
Age: 64 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1787
Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Mott
Gender: M (Male) Where born: Chelmsford, Essex, England
Civil parish: Stanford Rivers County/Island: Essex Country: England
Registration district: Ongar Sub-registration district: Bobbingworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 6a Household schedule number: 40 Piece: 1771 Folio: 303 Page Number: 10

John Mott 64 carpenter
Mary Mott 61
George Mott 26
Joseph E Mott 50 lodger

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1771; Folio: 303; Page: 10; GSU roll: 207417.

Name: Susannah Mott
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Spouse Name: William Tyler (Merchants Clerk)
Spouse Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 11 Sep 1859
Parish: St Dunstan and All Saints, Stepney
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Spouse Father Name: Thomas Tyler

(checked image for above, father here, William Mott occ. carpenter, both of 2 Peacock Place)

Chris :)

She would have been born at Stanford Rivers like all the other siblings were. It is a bit confusing because it is strange to call one child Susannah born 3/11/1822 S Rivers who married George barnard and then call your last child Susan. It has always been a mystery to me. This is the family in 1851. Susannah had married in 1846 but no Susan ?

1851 Census Hare Street Stanford Rivers
John Mott B1787 Chelmsford Essex
Mary B1790 Stanford Rivers
George B1825 Stanford Rivers
Joseph Earl Lodger Sweep B1801 Enfield Essex
Living up the road for the Barnard Family - daughter Susannah married their son George.

Thanks

Pittsy

John and Mary perhaps??

marriage: 26 Dec 1812 —Stanford Rivers, Essex, England
spouse: Mary Holgate

record title: England Marriages, 1538–1973
groom's name: John Mott
bride's name: Mary Holgate
marriage date: 26 Dec 1812
marriage place: Stanford Rivers,Essex,England
indexing project (batch) number: M04266-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 571184

Astra

Yes that is the parents marriage.

Chris

This is another Susannah from another branch of the family not the one I am looking for.

Thanks

Pittsy

This is William with daughter Susanna. Is it possible she was a Grand daughter in 1841. Was William their son?

MOTT, William Head Married M 37 1814 Carpenter
Slandford
Essex VIEW
MOTT, Sarah Wife Married F 44 1807 Laundress
North Weald
Essex VIEW
MOTT, Sarah Daughter F 15 1836
North Wheald
Essex VIEW
MOTT, Susanna Daughter F 11 1840
Loughton
Essex VIEW


Civil Parish:
Bethnal Green Municipal Borough:
Tower Hamlets Address:
1, James Street, Bethnal Green, Tower Hamlets County:
Middlesex

I think this could be the same person. It would be unusual for sometime to name someone Susan after already having a daughter Susannah alive and well at the time of her birth. I am going to remove her from the John Mott Mary Holgate children's list and this is why I have never been able to find her ?

Much appreciated everyone.

Thanks

Pittsy

Williamm re-married in 1842 so he could have been widowed which is why Susan is with her grand parents in 1841

Name: William Mott
Age: Full Age >>>>Widower
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Spouse Name: Sarah Green
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 07 Jun 1842
Parish: St Marylebone
County: Middlesex
Borough: Westminster
Father Name: John Mott >>>>Carpenter
Spouse Father Name: Thomas Green

Astra That explains it then. Appreciate this. Pittsy

You're welcome :-D

Before I lose you all - I have not been able to find anything more about Emma Mott B1836 Stanford Rivers - she is listed with parents in the 1841 census above.

Kind regards

Pittsy

nudge

1851 census -

EDWARDS, Jane Head Widow F 69 1782 Landed Proprietor
Chelmsford
Essex VIEW
TINDAL, Harriet J Niece Unmarried F 24 1827 No Occupation
Chelmsford
Essex VIEW
TINDAL, Adelaide Niece Unmarried F 20 1831 No Occupation
Real Del Monk Mexico British Subject VIEW
REEVE, Susan Servant Unmarried F 30 1821 Cook
Chelmsford
Essex VIEW
MOTT, Emma Servant Unmarried F 20 1831 Housemaid
Stanford Rivers
Essex VIEW
RG number:
HO107 Piece:
1775 Folio:
351 Page:
16

Registration District:
Chelmsford Sub District:
Chelmsford Enumeration District:
2E Ecclesiastical Parish:

Civil Parish:
Chelmsford Municipal Borough:
Address:
King Street, Chelmsford County:
Essex


Always consider this when looking at the 1841 census -

Note:
In the 1841 Census a policy of rounding down ages was in place.

* As such people aged:
* 15-19 were recorded as 15;
* 20-24 were recorded as 20;
* 25-29 were recorded as 25;
* 30-34 were recorded as 30;
* 35-39 were recorded as 35;

This means that Emma could have been 5-9 years old in 1841?

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Emma Mott

England Marriages, 1538–1973


marriage: 25 Nov 1857 —Little Hadham, Hertford, England
parents: John Mott
spouse: William Brewer

record title: England Marriages, 1538–1973
groom's name: William Brewer
bride's name: Emma Mott
marriage date: 25 Nov 1857
marriage place: Little Hadham, Hertford, England
groom's father's name: John Brewer
bride's father's name: John Mott
indexing project (batch) number: I03264-2
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1951858

Lynski - thankyou very much.

Pittsy