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I've been trying to find death records for Margaret Donaldson who married John McAlpine in 1808 Haddington Scotland
I've found them in 1841 Linlithgow with their daughter Stewart although it has Son. I've not been able to find them after this date
When Stewart married in 1847 it didn't say her father was deceased??
I've wasted so many credits on Scotlandspeople thought I'd use a different tactic
I think they were born 1782c Scotland??
Can I have a 1851 census look up I've found a death for Margaret Donaldson 1853 Edinburgh a widow living at 12 Gardeners Crescent just wondering if she would be down as McAlpine or Donaldson, married women are buried quite often under their maiden name ???

This may be the 1851 census for the Margaret Donaldson mentioned.

Piece: SCT1851/685 Place: St Cuthbert's -Midlothian Enumeration District: 45
Civil Parish: Edinburgh Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 711 Page: 12 Schedule: 49
Address: 15 Gardners Crescent

Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
DONALDSON Margaret Head W F 75 House Proprietor Midlothian - Edinburgh
DONALDSON Margaret W Daur U F 37 Midlothian - Edinburgh


However, it doesn't look like this is your Margaret Donaldson / McAlpine ... her daughter Margaret, also being a Donaldson.

When Stewart married in 1847, her marriage details from the Old Parish Record would not state whether her father was deceased or not. It was only after 1855 when official records came into being in Scotland that the parents information would be recorded on the marriage certificate.

Thank you Helen

Don't think thats them, her daughter Margaret was married and living with her husband,
Just had another look at the 1841 census and it looks as though Margaret Donaldson wasn't born in Scotland as theirs a tick in the outer square where it says born in England /Ireland?? Just thinking Haddington might have been classed as England when she was born ??Northumberland

STEWART_ COWIE MCALPIN Pedigree
Female
Christening: 26 JUN 1825 Linlithgow, West Lothian, Scotland
Father: JOHN MCALPIN Family
Mother: MARGARET DONALDSON

Thank you Yes Thats her

Possible other children born to John McAlpine and Margaret Donaldson. There appears to be the English connection you mention from the 1841 census ... in their first born son's birthplace.

George McALPINE (submitted record)
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
1810 , , England

Death:
23 MAR 1861 Linlithgow, West Lothian, Scotland
Burial:

Parents:
Father: John McALPINE Family
Mother: Margaret DONALDSON



Jean or Jane McAlpine (submitted record)
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
1816 Linlithgow, West Lothian, Scotland
Death:
13 MAY 1866
Burial:

Parents:
Father: John McAlpine Family
Mother: Margaret DONALDSON



MARGARET MC ALPINE (submitted record)
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
10 MAR 1818
Christening:
22 MAR 1818 Linlithgow, West Lothian, Scotland

Parents:
Father: JOHN MC ALPINE Family
Mother: MARGARET DONALDSON



JOHN MCALPIN (Extracted record)
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
23 FEB 1823 Linlithgow, West Lothian, Scotland
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: JOHN MCALPIN Family
Mother: MARGARET DONALDSON

Thanks Helen

Yes I have those and George (my ancester) is a puzzle England /Scotland Their is also another daughter Elizabeth 1807/1812?? only know od her because of John their father being in the Berwichshire militia and they were claiming for George & Elizabeth in 1813

Could I ask if you could do a 1851 census for Margaret McAlpine born England 1780c but living in Scotland please just in case she still alive

Sorry, I don't have access to the Ancestry census.

I did have a look in the 1851 on freecen ... but there was no Margaret McAlpine born c.1780

Thank you for looking

This may be worth looking at?

I noted that John was a shoemaker on 1841?...I cant find the same couple on 1841 ,only the ones with Stewart?But that means nothing of course as Im not brill at finding Scottish census anyway...Still looking for someone myself on them.They keep moving the counties dont they?Dunbarton/Stirling..Make yer mind up I say..


1851 Scotland Census about John Mcalpine
Name: John Mcalpine
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1791
Relationship: Head
Spouse's Name: Margaret Mcalpine
Gender: Male
Where born: East Porash, Perthshire
Parish Number: 201
Civil parish: Glenmuick, Tullich and Glengairn
County: Aberdeenshire
Address: Newton
Occupation: Shoemaker (m)
ED: 4
Page: 8 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 26
Line: 9
Roll: CSSCT1851_46
Household Members:
Name Age
John Mcalpine 60
Margaret Mcalpine 57

Name: Margaret Mcalpine
Age: 57
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1794
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Mcalpine
Gender: Female
Where born: Baffes, Banffshire

1861
Name: Margaret McAlpin
Age: 68
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1793
Relationship: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Buckie, Banff
Registration Number: 201
Registration district: Glenmuick
Civil parish: Glenmuick
County: Aberdeenshire
Address: Newton
Occupation: Shoemaker's W
ED: 5
Household schedule number: 2
Line: 6
Roll: CSSCT1861_29
Household Members:
Name Age
Margaret McAlpin 68

1871
Name: Margaret Mcalpin
Age: 79
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1792
Relationship: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Parish of Bafforn, Scotland
Registration Number: 201
Registration district: Glenmuick
Civil parish: Glenmuick
County: Aberdeenshire
Address: 2 Andreon
ED: 5
Household schedule number: 29
Line: 16
Roll: CSSCT1871_38
Household Members:
Name Age
Margaret Mcalpin 79
Elizabeth Forbes 41

Name: Elizabeth Forbes
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Relationship: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Martlash, Banffshire
Registration Number: 201
Registration district: Glenmuick
Civil parish: Glenmuick
County: Aberdeenshire
Address: 2 Andreon

After a close look at the 1841 census Margaret is either born in England or Ireland ? They are both down as 55yrs old

Could I ask for a 1851 census look up please for Margaret McAlpine born England / ireland I don't think she would have reverted back to her maiden name if John had died ??

If she can't be found that could give me a possible 10yr span to look for a death

The only one I have been able to find to fit anything like her is the one I have posted,sorry.

Maybe someone else will have more luck.

After wasting more credits on scotlandspeople I'm getting desperate
I have John McAlpine in 1841 census Linlithgow aged 55 shoemaker born out of county living with his wife Margaret aged 55 born out of county and a tick for bornEngland/Ireland living with daughter Stewart
I can't find them after 1841 I've checked deaths 1841 -1854 nothing, I know he died before the death of Stewart in 1864, Stewart married in 1847 it didn't say he was deceased,
Quick check on scotlandspeople for 1861 census but none match the age he would be all born after 1800 I have got 6 deaths from 1851-1864 three don't match and the ages are 10yrs out so I'm thinking did he go to England??
They did have a son John born 1823 Linlithgow
Another problem is their is another John & Margaret McAlpine they had a son John born Linlithgow 1827!!!!
If anyone can help in any way it would be appreciated,

Is this the "Stewart " family your referring to...?

1841 Census
4 Records found


Piece: SCT1841/668 Place: Linlithgow -West Lothian Enumeration District: 3
Civil Parish: Linlithgow Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Linlithgow
Folio: 0 Page: 2
Address: High Street



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Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
STEWART Ian M 35 Shoemaker Outside Census County (1841)
STEWART Elspeth F 33 Outside Census County (1841)
STEWART Ann F 8 Outside Census County (1841)
STEWART Elspeth F 1 West Lothian

Cannot see any McAlpine's with them..
Also only Mc A is James aged 15 Journeyman Shoemaker..living with parents James.55 Cotton Loom Weaver and Mgt.his wife....




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I think Sylann was going on this one Erin.
Stewart is a daughter not a son.

1841 Scotland Census about John Mcalpin
Name: John Mcalpin
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1786
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland
Civil parish: Linlithgow
County: West Lothian
Address: High Street
Occupation: Shoe M
Parish Number: 668
Household Members:
Name Age
Janet Adams 55
Dorothea Adams 25
Jean Adams 20
Robert Adams 15
Janet Adams 5
Louisa Adams 1
John Mcalpin 55<<<<<<<<
Margaret Mcalpin 55
Stewart Mcalpin 15<<<<,,
Archibald McLean 20
Archibald Crooks 20


I have not been able to find anything other than what I have posted before,hope you have better luck..
Fan

Yes Fan your right

I'm really stuck on this one just thought I'd give it one more go different angle I think the oners you gave me last time where the OTHER family

I have not found any others on 1841 other than "your"family..I looked before and since but dont see them.
Can you give the 1841 for them?
Was that John a shoe maker also?

The 1841 census you gave me was the right one
John 55 shoemaker
Margaret 55
Stewart 15

Stewart 1825 married John Grant 1843 c St Cuthberts died 1864 Linlithgow thats all I have on her

John b 1823 Linlithgow nothing on him ?
Elizabeth 1812 ???
George 1810 ???
Jane 1816 married Robert Wilson 1837
Margaret 1818 married George Sandilands
I have children for Margaret and George but thats all I have

Nothing on the other family have not really gone into it her name was Margaret Spence seeing as they all seem to be shoemaker ??

Children for other couple
Euphemia !829
Margaret 1834
Alexander 1832
Robert 1823
John 1827
James 1821
William spence 1838

all born Linlithgow

It may be worthwhile considering the "James " aged 15 (1841) may have been a John....seems rather young to be a journeyman shoemaker...???

1841 Census
7 Records found *** Note Address****


Piece: SCT1841/668 Place: Linlithgow -West Lothian Enumeration District: 5
Civil Parish: Linlithgow Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Linlithgow
Folio: 0 Page: 1
Address: High Street



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Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
AITKEN Robert M 50 Joiner Outside Census County (1841)
AITKEN Janet F 45 Outside Census County (1841)
AITKEN Robert M 20 Joiner Journeyman West Lothian
AITKEN John M 15 Joiner Apprentice West Lothian
AITKEN Margaret F 15 West Lothian
AITKEN William M 8 West Lothian
MCALPINE James M 15 Shoemaker Journeyman West Lothian

I made an error on my previous post ..the son of Jas and Mgt was Journeyman Tailor.