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Oh darn. I was hoping it wouldn't be that couple.

It looks like the same ones that safc posted earlier-James and Topsy and the ones I posted above.
They're listed on Ancestry as:
1891 England Census about Mary Godlemmo
Name: Mary Godlemmo
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James Godlemmo
Gender: Female
Where born: N
Civil parish: Kensington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Clement
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: Kensington Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 56
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 29
Folio: 64
Page Number: 59
Household Members:
Name Age
James Godlemmo 30
Mary Godlemmo 32
Jolly 34
McWillie 60
Seaney Ennis 41
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 29; Folio 64; Page 59; GSU roll: 6095139.

I've been trying to find them after 1891,but no luck.

Have you found Rose in any census,Jacqueline?

I think you might have to order her parents marriage cert unless someone else can spot something.

Good luck,
Maureen

just a maybe ? there are the Godlemmo from 1891 census

1901 England Census about James Goodman
Name: James Goodman
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Maryann Goodman
Gender: Male
Where born: Kensington, London, England
Civil parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image
Registration district: St Marylebone
Sub-registration district: St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 338
Piece: 111
Folio: 134
Page Number: 49
Household Members:
Name Age
James Goodman 42 road sweeper
Maryann Goodman 40 flower seller [hawker]
Rosie Goodman 9

What about witnesses on Rose's marriage cert?

What is James' occupation when she is born?

Rose

I checked them but cant make any connection,

occ. on marriage James deceased Mason. sounds invented ?

Guess What ?
There are half a dozen Ancestry trees with Rose on, and it looks as if none of them have bought a certificate , just copied from each other , typical !


My thoughts about the non-pinner line are starting with

John Godlyman c.1805 and Ann who have
4 children one John >all bapt.on LDS

son John c1828 becomes John Godlamin on the 1861 census, and marries Eliza Jenkins ?
Marriages Dec 1849 (>99%)
Godliman John Kensington 3 292

[John senior and Ann are witnesses }

who have several children including your man James 1856

So they hardly move far from Kensington

I don't know,Lindsey!!!

The 1861 that Chris pointed out earlier are the ones you're talking about-with Rach*l as the youngest?

I think this is the Ancestry 1871 for that family:
1871 England Census about Rachel C Coolman
Name: Rachel C Coolman
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: John Coolman
Mother's name: Elith Coolman
Gender: Female
Where born: Fulham, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Fulham
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: Fulham
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Household schedule number: 247
Piece: 72
Folio: 31
Page Number: 55
Household Members:
Name Age
John Coolman 44
Elith Coolman 40
Rachel C Coolman 11
Thomas G Coolman 9
Samuel G Coolman 7
Alice F Coolman 1
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 72; Folio: 31; Page: 55

Horrible image.
I do hope Jacqueline will come back and answer a few more questions if she is able to.

Best,
Maureen

Yes to above they are James' parents and family

One of Johns' sisters was a Rachel too.


Rachel Godliman
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: 05 Nov 1860
residence: 1860 —London, England
parents: John Godliman, Eliza

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: Rachel Godliman
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 25 Nov 1860
baptism/christening place: SAINT JOHN THE EVANGELIST,NOTTING HILL,LONDON,ENGLAND
birth date: 05 Nov 1860
father's name: John Godliman
mother's name: Eliza
indexing project (batch) number: C04242-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 597798

So where is their James in 1871???

Oh-probably one of those "witness" things. but Lilian M Palfreyman (nee Jago) is listed as a "rescue worker" in 1911.

Hands up in the air for me!!
Best,
Maureen

to all you lovely people,i have found my grans (Rose) marriage cert to John Chamberlain,her father james godleman (dec) a mason,and lillian m palfreyman as witness in 1912 kensington.Thankyou so much i have lots to go on now,think they kept changing how they spelt godleman which is causing trouble,but i dont think they ever left kensington area.xx

me again my sister said james children were Rose 1891, Elizabeth 1884,ellen or Nellie 1878,think there was more but cant think of names x

One of those trees has sisters, but no research with one dying in Canada
but there is a Nellie G on another family group.I think only a cert would prove them.

I wonder if Lily P was rescuing fallen women !

How did your sister hear of them ?

Darn! Did we forget to ask (again )what was listed as James' occupation on Rose's birth certificate.??
Best,
Maureen

james father was a mason,and nellie did go to canada,my sister is much older than me and remembers some of what my mum said,wish id asked my mum about family,Rose died in 1943 in ken x

Oh,
Thank you for letting us try to help,anyway.

But on Rose's actual birth certificate...could you tell us everything it says-from soup to nuts.

Sorry! (I must be getting hungry.)

Maureen

no birth certs only marriage for Rose x

But -you said:
" i have got my grans birth cert born 33 st clements rd,but when you try to look it up on genes it cant be found.I do remember my mum saying her gran was irish."

I'm lost again.

Maureen

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about George Henry Holmes
Name: George Henry Holmes
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Spouse Name: Ellen Godleman
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 03 Jun 1900
Parish: St Helen, Kensington
County: Middlesex
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Father Name: George Henry Holmes
Spouse Father Name: James Godleman labourer

British Army Service Records 1760-1915
First name(s): James

Last name: GODLEMAN

Calculated year of birth: 1862

Parish of birth: Kensington

Town of birth: London

County of birth: Middlesex

Age at attestation: 23 years

Attestation date: 25 February 1885

Attestation corps: 3RD BATTALION ROYAL FUSILIERS REGIMENT

Attestation soldier number: 2311

Discharge rank:

Discharge corps: Royal Fusiliers (City Of London Regiment) - 7th Foot

Discharge soldier number:

The National Archives reference: WO96 / 139 / 377

(came across this, dated 25th Feb. 1885, address given at time, 13 Newton Street, Notting Hill Gate, occ. Labourer, unable to sign his name, done as a X)

Chris :)

(might not be him, just adding!)

Now on one of the census POB is Colchester barracks

so James dies before 1911
GODLEMAN, Mary A Inmate Widow F 49 1862 Essex Colchester VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
139 Reference:
RG14PN139 RD2 SD1 ED52 SN9999

Registration District:
Kensington Sub District:
Kensington South Enumeration District:
52 Parish:
Kensington

Address:
Marloes Road Kensington


England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915 about James Godleman
Name: James Godleman
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1910
Age at Death: 56
Registration district: Lambeth
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 122 (click to see others on page)

This looks like Rose's birth reg. I think you need to get the cert, Jaqueline. But, if you haven't already got it, how do you know the address?:

Births Jun 1891 (>99%)
GODLEMUN Rose Kensington 1a 130

sorry to everyone i have got her birth cert,ive got so much paperwork as im also sorting out my fathers side from isle of man.Rose born18 april1891 33 st clements rd,father james godlemun,mother mary ann godlemun nee bushnell,he was general labourer,kensington.xx