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Hello everyone, I am trying to help a friend find her relatives in the UK.
Her mother was EDNA GRACE SAUNDERS born near London about 1922. I dont see a tree on GR with her name there.
Edna emigrated to Australia where she married Esmond Stokoe in Bankstown in 1940.

Hi Maxwell

Here's her death in NSW, gives parents names which should help UK helpers

Surname: STOKOE
Given names: EDNA GRACE
Father: ALFRED EDWARD
Mother: MARTHA
District: BANKSTOWN
Reg: 10113
Year: 1965

and her husband's death

Surname: STOKOE
Given names: ESMOND VICTOR STANLEY
Father: ERNEST RALPH ELLIOT [d. 1978 NSW]
Mother: VIOLET ANNIE ELLEN [d. 1955 NSW]
Reg: 16748
Year: 1975

From www.bdm.nsw.gov.au

Births Dec 1917 (>99%)
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Saunders Edna G Winch Watford 3a 1130

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FYI from NAA Recordsearch

STOKOE ESMOND VICTOR STANLEY : Service Number - N477804 : Date of birth - 05 Jan 1916 : Place of birth - BANKSTOWN NSW : Place of enlistment - BANKSTOWN NSW : Next of Kin - STOKOE EDNA

Good work, jax.

No Saunders-Winch marriage?

NB This turned out to be a red herring - see page 2 for more info!!!

Not seeing a marriage for the parents are you sure her name was saunders?

jax

She certainly married as Saunders...if she WAS born in 1922, she would have only been 18 in 1940 so seems too young to have been previously married.

In any case there must have been a Saunders-Winch marriage since there are at least 4 children born to them! (Though she -Martha- may have been previously married I suppose).

Unless they are chn of these two?

Marriages Sep 1897 (>99%)
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SAUNDERS William Percy Gower 11a 1345
WINCH Alice Louisa Gower 11a 1345

cannot see any Edna Saunders on the passenger lists either

jax

One of the children born to Saunders-Winch in Watford was named Arthur E...maybe there is an informant error on her death cert? (Rats, just realised her father is named as Alfred E, not Arthur - always get those 2 mixed up!)

Others Hilda A b. 1914 and Sidney S J b. 1920

Marriages Dec 1899 (>99%)
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Foster Martha Frances K Woolwich 1d 2242
Saunders Alfred Thomas Woolwich 1d 2242

Hmmm...if it was just the father's 2nd name that was incorrect, this would look promising...but it is quite a leap for Grace Emily to become Edna Grace?

UNLESS - Edna was born in NSW after they arrived in 1921???


Son's death in NSW -
13621/1932 SAUNDERS PERCIVAL ALFRED T MARTHA F K NORTH SYDNEY

I am going to delete that info just realised they were not from England

will put it back if you think its connected

jax

31367/1959 SAUNDERS MARTHA FRANCES K EDWARD ANNE GOSFORD
23918/1960 SAUNDERS ALFRED THOMAS ALFRED NOT KNOWN GOSFORD

What do you mean? You found their marriage in England - Woolwich no less!

Marriages Dec 1899 (>99%)
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Foster Martha Frances K Woolwich 1d 2242
Saunders Alfred Thomas Woolwich 1d 2242

None of those children were born in the UK that may not be their marriage

Martha Frances K on UK marriage and NSW death is huge coincidence if it is not them! :-)

(and Martha Kate on passenger list)

Where were they born?

I have put it back but those children are not listed as being born in the UK

passenger transcript details
Name: Mrs Martha Kate SAUNDERS
Date of departure: 20 October 1921
Port of departure: London
Passenger destination port: Sydney, Australia
Passenger destination: Sydney, Australia

Date of Birth: 1878 (calculated from age)
Age: 43
Marital status: Married
Sex: Female
Occupation: Wife
Passenger recorded on: Page 10 of 15





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The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: -

Mr Alfred Thomas SAUNDERS Page 10 of 15 View transcript >>>43
Freda Madeline SAUNDERS Page 10 of 15 View transcript >>>4
Grace Emily SAUNDERS Page 10 of 15 View transcript >>>2
James Edward SAUNDERS Page 10 of 15 View transcript >>>7
Percival SAUNDERS Page 10 of 15 View transcript>>>11



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Their address in England was Abbey Wood London but they were listed as from a foreign country on the passanger list

I am not saying it is or is'nt them but the children were not born in the uk that I can see

Jinx! Just posted those at the same time, Helen :-)

Edna died on Xmas Eve - how very sad. Her age at death means she was born c1918, which actually makes the original Saunders-Winch birth that Jax found look good...

Jax, does the passenger list gives ages of children??

Hmm the 2 daughters on the shipping list married in Gosford NSW, where their parents both died.

17759/1934 CATT GEORGE SAUNDERS FREDA M GOSFORD
29808/1942 LASLETT BERTRAM WILLIAM GEORGE SAUNDERS GRACE EMILY GOSFORD

???
22288/1936 SAUNDERS JAMES EDWARD DONNE SARAH MAGARETTA KURRI KURRI